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Re: Intel claims new i9 is faster than M1 Max

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Post by StringyBob »

zepto wrote: post #2

Here is the claim: “Intel announces the 12th Gen Intel® Core™ family of mobile processors led by the launch of new H-series mobile processors featuring the flagship Intel® Core™ i9-12900HK – the fastest mobile processor ever [1]“ “[1] Based on superior performance of 12th Gen Intel Core i9 12900HK against Intel Core i9 11980HK, AMD Ryzen 9 5900HX, and Apple M1 Max. Intel processor performance is estimated based on me…

I wonder if the xcode binaries are compiled for Arm or x86_64 via Rosetta emulation - and how much difference that makes to performance and efficiency?

Re: Intel claims new i9 is faster than M1 Max

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Post by reaperducer »

howdydoo wrote: post #38
carlycue wrote: post #28

Apple has already won. Even if Intel catches up in efficiency, it doesn't matter. Even if they're 30% faster, it doesn't matter. Apple is in charge of their own destiny with Apple Silicon. That's invaluable.

So Apple is the best regardless of which product is better?

I think he's saying that Apple processors are best for Apple. It's no longer beholden to outsiders for its processors. There is value in freedom that, for Apple, is greater than mere numbers can convey.

Re: Intel claims new i9 is faster than M1 Max

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Post by CharlesW »

howdydoo wrote: post #38
carlycue wrote: post #28

Apple has already won. Even if Intel catches up in efficiency, it doesn't matter. Even if they're 30% faster, it doesn't matter. Apple is in charge of their own destiny with Apple Silicon. That's invaluable.

So Apple is the best regardless of which product is better?

I think it depends on one's definition of "better". There will likely always be performance-at-any-cost choices that will beat Apple since that's not what they're solving for.

Re: Intel claims new i9 is faster than M1 Max

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Post by collinvandyck76 »

abledon wrote: post #33
carlycue wrote: post #28

Apple has already won. Even if Intel catches up in efficiency, it doesn't matter. Even if they're 30% faster, it doesn't matter. Apple is in charge of their own destiny with Apple Silicon. That's invaluable.

isnt it TSMC's silicon with a printing recipe sent over from apple?

Yes, Apple relies on other foundries to build their chips.

Re: Intel claims new i9 is faster than M1 Max

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Post by thebean11 »

Aperocky wrote: post #47
artursapek wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. The M1 is awesome not because of raw horsepower, but because of efficiency.

I love my fanless M1 Air primarily because it's fanless. The 14" pro looks great, but can anyone using it tell me whether the fan ever turns on?

I have the 16" which has slightly better thermals. When it's in clamshell mode and I'm doing heavy stuff (maybe a zoom call + big compilation + running a few local services) I can feel a tiny bit of warm air coming out. Can't hear anything though.

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Post by jimbob45 »

howdydoo wrote: post #38
carlycue wrote: post #28

Apple has already won. Even if Intel catches up in efficiency, it doesn't matter. Even if they're 30% faster, it doesn't matter. Apple is in charge of their own destiny with Apple Silicon. That's invaluable.

So Apple is the best regardless of which product is better?

I think that’s what he’s trying to say?

It doesn’t make sense though because having your own architecture isn’t that useful if no one else wants to use it. The goal is to 10X your profits by licensing out your designs. Designing your own architecture is a 1X move if only you use it and that’s not counting the cost of maintenance and marketing.

Counterpoint: Apple has sunk an incredible amount of money into an architecture that provides very few tangible benefits to the consumer. It looks unlikely that they’ll ever recoup costs. They could have put that money toward their own fab and received infinite US government money instead.

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Post by eyelidlessness »

abledon wrote: post #33
carlycue wrote: post #28

Apple has already won. Even if Intel catches up in efficiency, it doesn't matter. Even if they're 30% faster, it doesn't matter. Apple is in charge of their own destiny with Apple Silicon. That's invaluable.

isnt it TSMC's silicon with a printing recipe sent over from apple?

Well, that’s a surprisingly myopic take on a site with a disproportionately large audience who send recipes to silicon on the regular.

Re: Intel claims new i9 is faster than M1 Max

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Post by Gigachad »

Aperocky wrote: post #47
artursapek wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. The M1 is awesome not because of raw horsepower, but because of efficiency.

I love my fanless M1 Air primarily because it's fanless. The 14" pro looks great, but can anyone using it tell me whether the fan ever turns on?

I have the 2020 pro and I have only heard the fan once and that was when a compile bugged out and got stuck. Otherwise I don’t even hear the fan while gaming.

Re: Intel claims new i9 is faster than M1 Max

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Post by howaboutnope »

carlycue wrote: post #28

Apple has already won. Even if Intel catches up in efficiency, it doesn't matter. Even if they're 30% faster, it doesn't matter. Apple is in charge of their own destiny with Apple Silicon. That's invaluable.

Apple Silicon comes with Apple software. It's worthless to me.

Re: Intel claims new i9 is faster than M1 Max

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Post by avidphantasm »

Aperocky wrote: post #47
artursapek wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. The M1 is awesome not because of raw horsepower, but because of efficiency.

I love my fanless M1 Air primarily because it's fanless. The 14" pro looks great, but can anyone using it tell me whether the fan ever turns on?

I have had the 14” since October and I have never heard the fan. For example, I have two 4K external displays at home and the fan on my i9 MBP was almost always on when the displays were connected (especially when using video conferencing). Not so with the 14”. Love this machine, better in every way.
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