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To all the commenters: This is claimed on a power adjusted basis: https://mobile.twitter.com/witeken/status/147844103741682893...
I'm a bit skeptical this is true
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I thought arm was a lot more open than x86 based tech?
No. x86 has its roots in the PC, which was an open and relatively standardised platform. ARM's rise to popularity came later, and there are literally thousands if not tens of thousands of different SoCs with an ARM core, which have nothing in common but the core. All the locked-down mobile devices are in this category, and their SoC manufacturers have been extremely reluctant to release much in the way of documentati…
x86 was and is proprietary (ARM's ISAs and designs are as well). The wider x86 platform is somewhat standardized, but that doesn't mean it's open any more than Apple computers using Thunderbolt or PCI or USB or DDR standards mean they are open.
To all the commenters: This is claimed on a power adjusted basis: https://mobile.twitter.com/witeken/status/147844103741682893...
They're specifically talking about the mobile part here. But it's not hard to believe that it will outrun the M1 Max in multithreaded benchmarks, and likely even single-threaded benchmarks. Intel's latest desktop parts are already faster than an M1 Max by a not-insignificant amount, and this is just a lower-power version. Intel's Alder Lake desktop parts are already surprisingly power efficient (ignoring the heavily…
Currently using the M1 mini as a display head with VSCode connected to the PC over Thunderbolt, as a backend. Seems like the best of worlds. M1 Pro is probably going to get sold.
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Maybe you're thinking of FJCVTZS, which is intended to accelerate a common operation in JavaScript engines? That's not unique to M1, though; rather added to a relatively recent ARM ISA revision. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25422168 I think there may be other optimizations related to Apple's reference counting and type tagging models for Objective-C and Swift.
FJCVTZS I read that out loud, thinking I was back at the optometrist.
Everybody to the limit! The cheat is to the limit! Everybody FJCVTZS!
They're specifically talking about the mobile part here. But it's not hard to believe that it will outrun the M1 Max in multithreaded benchmarks, and likely even single-threaded benchmarks. Intel's latest desktop parts are already faster than an M1 Max by a not-insignificant amount, and this is just a lower-power version. Intel's Alder Lake desktop parts are already surprisingly power efficient (ignoring the heavily…
I think a lot of the Apple efficiency gains also come from the all-in SoC design (i.e. memory etc. all in the same chip). I guess Intel is trying to make the same play here but I'm sceptical they'll have as much success in the near term simply because they're reliant on OEMs to pretty much redesign their products around that so it could be several years before all the manufacturers cycle their product lines around. Not to mention many PC fans _like_ the fact they can upgrade the RAM in their laptops SODIMM slots.
But at what thermal, power and monetary price? Edit: @deepnotderp[1] found the power adjusted basis: https://mobile.twitter.com/witeken/status/147844103741682893... [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29802359#29803502
Exactly. The M1 is awesome not because of raw horsepower, but because of efficiency.
The 14" pro looks great, but can anyone using it tell me whether the fan ever turns on?
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Right - show me an ambiently-cooled Intel laptop with the same performance as a MacBook Air M1, available for purchase in the market, metric-for-metric. It doesn’t exist.
Based on Intel’s graph it looks like they be able to beat the M1 Max in performance at 35 watts. And that would be great. But laptops shouldn’t need to draw 35 watts minimum. If it can’t scale down when idle I think I’d pass.
Apple has already won. Even if Intel catches up in efficiency, it doesn't matter. Even if they're 30% faster, it doesn't matter. Apple is in charge of their own destiny with Apple Silicon. That's invaluable.
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I am always within 1 minutes of a charger. My i9 MacBook still dies on me all the time. Get to 5% and go to the bathroom? Oops, it died, and I can’t join my next meeting on time. Start a call at 10% battery? Will definitely have to interrupt to go plug in. I want performance and battery.
I like my work M1 macbook air, but when battery gets below 10% it seems to get very unhappy... Requires sitting on the charger for a while before it will even start up properly