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Intel claims new i9 is faster than M1 Max

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Re: Intel claims new i9 is faster than M1 Max

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Post by zepto »

Here is the claim:

“Intel announces the 12th Gen Intel® Core™ family of mobile processors led by the launch of new H-series mobile processors featuring the flagship Intel® Core™ i9-12900HK – the fastest mobile processor ever [1]“

“[1] Based on superior performance of 12th Gen Intel Core i9 12900HK against Intel Core i9 11980HK, AMD Ryzen 9 5900HX, and Apple M1 Max. Intel processor performance is estimated based on measurements with Intel Reference Validation Platforms. AMD processor performance is estimated based on measurements on a Lenovo Legion R9000K with RTX 3080. Apple M1 Max performance is estimated based on public statement made by Apple on 10/18/2021 and measurements on Apple M1 Max 16” 64GB RAM Model A2485. Best available compilers selected for all processors. Binaries compiled with ICC for Intel/AMD, binaries compiled with Xcode 13.1 for Apple. The metric used is the geometric mean of an n-copy SPECrate run of the C/C++ integer benchmarks in SPEC CPU 2017. See www.intel.com/PerformanceIndex for additional workload and configuration details. Results may vary. Other names and brands may be claimed as the property of others.”

Re: Intel claims new i9 is faster than M1 Max

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Post by doctorshady »

zepto wrote: post #2

Here is the claim: “Intel announces the 12th Gen Intel® Core™ family of mobile processors led by the launch of new H-series mobile processors featuring the flagship Intel® Core™ i9-12900HK – the fastest mobile processor ever [1]“ “[1] Based on superior performance of 12th Gen Intel Core i9 12900HK against Intel Core i9 11980HK, AMD Ryzen 9 5900HX, and Apple M1 Max. Intel processor performance is estimated based on me…

While I love C/C++, I thought the M1 family was specifically optimized for higher level languages?

Re: Intel claims new i9 is faster than M1 Max

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Post by MBCook »

spurgu wrote: post #3

I believe it when I see it. At least watt for watt I have some serious doubts.

That was always the biggest issue.

It’s not hard to outperform an M1 Max. Just use a ton of cores and high frequencies.

But that uses a ton of battery and puts off a ton of heat.

That’s my favorite thing about my M1 Mac. It has no fan, doesn’t get hot, has TONS of battery, and still performs well.

If Intel can match/beat Apple at similar power/thermal levels THATS an achievement.

Re: Intel claims new i9 is faster than M1 Max

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Post by daviddever23box »

MBCook wrote: post #5
spurgu wrote: post #3

I believe it when I see it. At least watt for watt I have some serious doubts.

That was always the biggest issue. It’s not hard to outperform an M1 Max. Just use a ton of cores and high frequencies. But that uses a ton of battery and puts off a ton of heat. That’s my favorite thing about my M1 Mac. It has no fan, doesn’t get hot, has TONS of battery, and still performs well. If Intel can match/beat Apple at similar power/thermal levels THATS an achievement.

Right - show me an ambiently-cooled Intel laptop with the same performance as a MacBook Air M1, available for purchase in the market, metric-for-metric. It doesn’t exist.

Re: Intel claims new i9 is faster than M1 Max

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Post by wahern »

doctorshady wrote: post #4
zepto wrote: post #2

Here is the claim: “Intel announces the 12th Gen Intel® Core™ family of mobile processors led by the launch of new H-series mobile processors featuring the flagship Intel® Core™ i9-12900HK – the fastest mobile processor ever [1]“ “[1] Based on superior performance of 12th Gen Intel Core i9 12900HK against Intel Core i9 11980HK, AMD Ryzen 9 5900HX, and Apple M1 Max. Intel processor performance is estimated based on me…

While I love C/C++, I thought the M1 family was specifically optimized for higher level languages?

Maybe you're thinking of FJCVTZS, which is intended to accelerate a common operation in JavaScript engines? That's not unique to M1, though; rather added to a relatively recent ARM ISA revision. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25422168

I think there may be other optimizations related to Apple's reference counting and type tagging models for Objective-C and Swift.

Re: Intel claims new i9 is faster than M1 Max

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Post by artursapek »

schappim wrote: post #9

But at what thermal, power and monetary price? Edit: @deepnotderp[1] found the power adjusted basis: https://mobile.twitter.com/witeken/status/147844103741682893... [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29802359#29803502

Exactly. The M1 is awesome not because of raw horsepower, but because of efficiency.
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