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No Way to Grow Up

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Re: No Way to Grow Up

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Honest question: At what point do we give up? I'm in the Bay Area and it'll be coming up on 2 years soon of what basically amounts to a social shut down. -- Many social groups are just not getting together anymore, including most of mine. -- Concerts, sporting events, parties of most sizes, crowded bars/clubs just seem off the table at this point. -- Masks for the majority of it, which makes gym going and working out…

Now is good for me!

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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I did not pivot. And to anyone reading my post, it should be so obvious that I did not pivot that your claim that I did verges on flatly dishonest. We knew COVID was not dangerous to children by early summer 2020. The article says this and the article is correct. I simply and plainly repeated this. It was never the case that anyone who was paying attention believed school closures might be the only thing standing bet…

> It was never the case that anyone who was paying attention believed school closures might be the only thing standing between COVID and mass death of children. That did not happen. It did not happen. It never happened. This is the aforementioned pivot. Nobody made this claim. The claim is that, early in the pandemic, unknowns about the dangers of COVID to children were one among many sufficient conditions for closin…

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Re: No Way to Grow Up

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So, is Covid the shock that leads to the education system being reinvented for the better or do school boards just keep bumbling along like before? Do zero-tolerance policies really work? Why are students falling behind in mathematics compared to the rest of the world? Does overloading of take home work produce better test scores, or does it just consume free time and stress out kids? Are teachers ever going to be pa…

"So, is Covid the shock that leads to the education system being reinvented for the better" I don't really see how this would happen, or even how they connect. Covid is keeping our schools from even being schools. It's displaying the flaws in our larger system, but it doesn't really speak at all to what's good or bad in the classroom itself. EXCEPT that we've had a natural experiment where kids are removed from the c…

The connection to covid is pretty loose but when people are driven to questioning what the very purpose of schools are (education or state sponsored childcare so both parents can work and contribute to the economy?), I think connection is fair.

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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I am very thankful that my youngest graduated high school in 2020. The last couple of months were screwed up, but there wasn't much real education lost by then; most seniors pretty much check out after Spring Break anyway. I really feel for the kids who are younger. The effects of this are going to be with us for decades.

It always surprises that left-leaning politicians and media were the most fervent advocates of school closures, because it has disproportionately affected kids from the poorest backgrounds. What I see around me is that educated couples invested the time to make up for the lack of school education (and were typically home working themselves), so those kids will probably do OK, other kids were left on their own all day…

Left leaning politicians were pushed by teachers unions whose job is to advocate for the safety of the teachers.

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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How many hospitalizations are due to covid and how many just happen to test positive?

Appears to be very very common (as high as 2/3 'with' covid vs 'for' covid). See: https://twitter.com/MonicaGandhi9/status/1478401273317654528

Surely it can't be a pure binary split of 'for' covid vs 'with' covid.

Having covid presumably worsens outcomes for unrelated causes, in some cases turning a non emergency condition into an emergency condition.

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did not pivot. And to anyone reading my post, it should be so obvious that I did not pivot that your claim that I did verges on flatly dishonest. We knew COVID was not dangerous to children by early summer 2020. The article says this and the article is correct. I simply and plainly repeated this. It was never the case that anyone who was paying attention believed school closures might be the only thing standing bet…

> It was never the case that anyone who was paying attention believed school closures might be the only thing standing between COVID and mass death of children. That did not happen. It did not happen. It never happened. This is the aforementioned pivot. Nobody made this claim. The claim is that, early in the pandemic, unknowns about the dangers of COVID to children were one among many sufficient conditions for closin…

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Re: No Way to Grow Up

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There is a dangerous level of cognitive dissonance around school closures that effects nearly everyone. I have to filter arguments by finding out if the people making them have or do not have kids in school. People with kids in school just want schools open. Teachers and administrators want schools open. ...and therefore politicians want schools open. There are a lot of vested interests that bias toward opening schoo…

>Teachers and administrators want schools open. ...and therefore politicians want schools open. This is just false. The largest teacher unions in the country have been pushing school closures. This means many teachers, administrators and politicians also want school closures. Until like the last week politicians have been reluctant to even suggest schools reopen https://news.yahoo.com/fauci-teachers-unions-odds-over-…

You could be right about that, but re: your link, Fauci is not a politician, he's a bureaucrat. No doubt they are subject to politicization / political bias and pressure too, but he doesn't seem completely partisan and one sided, he "has acted as an advisor to every U.S. president since Ronald Reagan"[wikipedia], so it's hard to gauge the political response to the mood of constituents based on what he's saying, in my opinion.

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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post #244

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How is that relevant? The parents will all inevitably be exposed eventually. It doesn't matter whether the exposure happens through one of their children or someone else.

It doesn't matter how. It matters when.

No, it doesn't matter when, a parent dying when a kid is 10 is no different than when the kid is 11.

Let's not pretend people are avoiding covid for multiple years here, because statistically they aren't.

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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Honest question: At what point do we give up? I'm in the Bay Area and it'll be coming up on 2 years soon of what basically amounts to a social shut down. -- Many social groups are just not getting together anymore, including most of mine. -- Concerts, sporting events, parties of most sizes, crowded bars/clubs just seem off the table at this point. -- Masks for the majority of it, which makes gym going and working out…

You sound like you're describing a foreign country from my experiences in New York, Arizona, and Nevada. Why not move out of the Bay Area?

"Just move" is not actually a useful response to someone's regional concern.

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is that relevant? The parents will all inevitably be exposed eventually. It doesn't matter whether the exposure happens through one of their children or someone else.

ECMO shortage

The US is down 7% on staffed beds since last year, exactly what makes you think shortages are getting better with time?
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