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The UX on this small child is terrible

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Re: The UX on this small child is terrible

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Post by acdha »

enaaem wrote: post #93
cpursley wrote: post #28

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Can somebody explain the "won't eat vegetables" thing? The only place I've heard about this being in issue is in America.

I find that many western households don’t know how to cook vegetables. Often mushy and overcooked. I as an adult don’t enjoy eating that either.

Historically, there was a big food safety / “scientific nutrition” movement which was heavily influenced by the various food-safety issues around the turn of the previous century and also things like Great Depression / WWII-era concerns about malnourishment (my grandfather remembered all of the concerns that American teenagers hadn't been fed enough to be able to go toe to toe with the Germans).

This lead to a lot of truly regrettable food — when my grandmother did home economics classes the focus was always on things like having enough calories for manual laborers on a budget, cooking thoroughly to avoid the chance of disease, etc. which really emphasized meat and carbs, and techniques like pressure cooking (which allowed you to eat cheaper cuts of meat). Enjoying your food was not a priority. Her children were quite happy when she got into California cuisine back when that was new.

Re: The UX on this small child is terrible

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Post by hluska »

dylan604 wrote: post #80
sophacles wrote: post #79

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Yeah, but look at puppy for example - it just eats what you give it. (If anything, the makers of that product should introduce a bit of pickiness tbh). The small child makers should really take an example from puppy - AI is a nice way to get some behaviors trained up, but over-doing it (e.g. in the "what to eat" module) can be just as bad as not enough (compare brine shrimp for the problems of a no AI approach).

Sorry, you're blaming someone else for the decision on chosing Small Child vs Cute Loveable Puppy? Buyer's remorse is strong. You should have researched the return options before purchase. However, adding Cute Loveable Puppy can sometimes improve Small Child, or just add to headache.

Be careful. Testing has shown that if you run the Small Child and Cute Loveable Puppy containers on the same host, drink(alcohol) may start running at about 9:30 pm.

Re: The UX on this small child is terrible

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Post by acdha »

hluska wrote: post #149
frereubu wrote: post #145

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You can hide a multitude of vegetables in a blended tomato sauce with paste, or on top of a pizza.

You know, you'd think so. Unfortunately, she embodies everything I love(d) about hacker culture in her pursuit of a vegetable free existence. It would be admirable if I didn't really want to feed her a damned vegetable. :)

If it makes you feel better, I knew two people who were both committed foodies (an Italian and the guy who risked a $25k fine smuggling a leg of jamón ibérico through customs before there was a licensed importer), and then their son went through (IIRC) a 5 year stretch where he would not eat almost anything other than Wonderbread and Jif peanut butter. I am not exaggerating: their doctor actually pushed on vitamin supplements to avoid scurvy.

Re: The UX on this small child is terrible

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Post by RhysU »

colmvp wrote: post #25
igetspam wrote: post #8

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I've been working on the inputs to mine for over four years now and it still hasn't picked up "blow nose!"

Strange, I would've expected blowNose() would be inherited from the parent.

There's an arity difference on the inputs.

Re: The UX on this small child is terrible

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Post by hluska »

na85 wrote: post #86
sophacles wrote: post #79

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Yeah, but look at puppy for example - it just eats what you give it. (If anything, the makers of that product should introduce a bit of pickiness tbh). The small child makers should really take an example from puppy - AI is a nice way to get some behaviors trained up, but over-doing it (e.g. in the "what to eat" module) can be just as bad as not enough (compare brine shrimp for the problems of a no AI approach).

Puppy also happily rolls in excrement if you don't run the Leash plugin. I have the 2017 Small Child Pro and mine tried to eat a cigarette butt that she found in a mud puddle but at least she doesn't roll in goose shit.

I have a 2016 model. You're in for a wonderful year - enjoy every second of it!! :)

Re: The UX on this small child is terrible

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Post by acdha »

quartesixte wrote: post #147
acdha wrote: post #133

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It's a combination of several factors: American kids foods tend to be heavily processed and run to sweet, which will set the baseline if you let it, and there's this widespread belief that children won't eat grownup food so you should offer something else. We only offer what we're eating and, unsurprisingly, he has learned that as normal. That doesn't mean he eats everything — bitter flavors really are a learned tast…

> children won't eat grownup food so you should offer something else. Having grown up in an immigrant household where the children’s plate is just a smaller version of the adult plate, is this a thing in American households? The kids eat an entirely separate meal-course from the adults? I know baby food is processed but once a kid gets teeth, they’re just given what the adults eat. My grandmother would have banish fr…

Very much yes: like you'll have a meal with normal food and someone will make a batch of Kraft mac-and-cheese without even offering them what everyone else is eating. I can understand the appeal of not fighting about it but that problem only gets worse the longer it runs.

Re: The UX on this small child is terrible

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Post by themadturk »

aidenn0 wrote: post #146
hathawsh wrote: post #97

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Some Adams trivia: - It's owned by Smucker's. I normally dislike anything from Smucker's, but Adams is a nice exception. - If you get the giant jar from Costco, the oil separation is a significant issue. There's a simple solution: dump it all into a big mixing bowl (with the help of a silicone spatula), mix it, and pour it back into the jar. I did it last time I bought it and it was worth the 10 minutes I spent. - On…

Just because this has been bugging me for years: Why are all zero-sugar-added PBs not homogenized? It seems unlikely to me that sugar is the primary homogenizing agent in e.g. Skippy. I dread opening a new jar of peanut butter to the point where I will look for other things...

I think what keeps homogenized peanut butter homogenized is partially-hydrogenated vegetable oil, which is apparently also not good for you. Adams Natural, for instance (they also make a homogenized version) contains peanuts and (optionally) salt.

Re: The UX on this small child is terrible

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Post by BenjiWiebe »

quartesixte wrote: post #147
acdha wrote: post #133

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It's a combination of several factors: American kids foods tend to be heavily processed and run to sweet, which will set the baseline if you let it, and there's this widespread belief that children won't eat grownup food so you should offer something else. We only offer what we're eating and, unsurprisingly, he has learned that as normal. That doesn't mean he eats everything — bitter flavors really are a learned tast…

> children won't eat grownup food so you should offer something else. Having grown up in an immigrant household where the children’s plate is just a smaller version of the adult plate, is this a thing in American households? The kids eat an entirely separate meal-course from the adults? I know baby food is processed but once a kid gets teeth, they’re just given what the adults eat. My grandmother would have banish fr…

Speaking for myself (American/Midwest), I've never seen nor experienced children getting a separate menu than the adults.

Well, except for eating out, I guess. And even then an adult sharing with a child is not that rare.

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