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No Way to Grow Up

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Re: No Way to Grow Up

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>We didn't have positive or negative evidence that children weren't an at-risk group Why aren't the low death rates for the 0-17 cohort enough?

Because people are experiencing long-term effects besides death.

But how many, and is it more than other respiratory illness?

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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So, is Covid the shock that leads to the education system being reinvented for the better or do school boards just keep bumbling along like before? Do zero-tolerance policies really work? Why are students falling behind in mathematics compared to the rest of the world? Does overloading of take home work produce better test scores, or does it just consume free time and stress out kids? Are teachers ever going to be pa…

It is obvious what will happen. The education system will crumble, inequality will grow, and to make up for having a poorly educated work force we will adopt more automation or AI-assisted tasks with very structured workflows to reduce cognitive requirements. Only elites will be able to afford giving their children strong educations and social experiences, presumably with other elite children. This will allow some ch…

>Only elites will be able to afford giving their children strong educations and social experiences

How about learning from the Internet?

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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Did your kid go on to college? My two kids did and it's a pretty lousy experience. Classes are mostly online still, cafeterias are take out only, socialization opportunities are mostly gone.

Yes. One was on-campus, and it wasn't ideal but he did OK with it. The other was all online and it didn't go well. He's taking time off now (working, not sitting idle) until he can be fully in-class, on campus.

On campus interactions may not be strictly needed for book learning but they are such a big part of the college experience in general.

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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Did your kid go on to college? My two kids did and it's a pretty lousy experience. Classes are mostly online still, cafeterias are take out only, socialization opportunities are mostly gone.

My last year of higher edu was remote and I really loved it in 80% Finally I didn't have to waste time on commute and it was way easier to ignore doubtful profs/useless courses and focus on the right things. but yea, things may be harder if you don't know people you're studying with

Why did you take useless classes? Colleges give students great leeway in course selection.

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> For the past two years, Americans have accepted more harm to children in exchange for less harm to adults. At first we didn't know how much harm the virus would cause to children. But now that we see it is much less dangerous for them we shouldn't be preventing them from learning because we are afraid of getting sick. The children are the future, and in order to secure a positive growth in society it is our obligat…

The problem isn’t the kids getting sick, it’s the adults teaching them getting sick and dying. We’ve treated teachers like shit for so long that many are just saying “nope, not dying for a job” because they can go make more money doing literally anything else. We were scraping the bottom of the barrel even before Covid. If kids education were really a priority, the right time to invest was 20 years ago. The system ha…

> the right time to invest was 20 years ago

The second best time to plant a tree is today

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I'm not sure I like this article. They seems to overstate what the sources they link to claim. For example the article says > Some researchers are skeptical that school closures reduce Covid cases in most instances. But when you go to the study they link, it says > Although school closures reduce the number of contacts children have, and may decrease transmission, a study of 12 million adults in the UK found no diffe…

This is an attempt at manufacturing consensus by making it seem like these arguments are coming “from the adults in the room” because it’s in the NYTimes. They’re so good at gaslighting their readers (and I say this coming from the left of the NYT, not the right). You’ll start to see liberal politicians using these same talking points in the coming weeks, guaranteed.

>You’ll start to see liberal politicians using these same talking points in the coming weeks, guaranteed.

Well, there's no federal solution, so we gotta do something different, right?

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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I'm not sure I like this article. They seems to overstate what the sources they link to claim. For example the article says > Some researchers are skeptical that school closures reduce Covid cases in most instances. But when you go to the study they link, it says > Although school closures reduce the number of contacts children have, and may decrease transmission, a study of 12 million adults in the UK found no diffe…

There appears to be a weird blind-spot when discussing COVID outcomes - anything short of death appears to be discounted or ignored. So hospital issues, long COVID, etc. just don't exist, so catching it either didn't matter or you're dead. On a planet where that was true, that sort of reasoning would make sense. (As it does if you're trying to encourage other people to ignore risks.) What I don't understand is why so…

It's the human tendency to optimise the quantifiable and ignore the unquantified. (The unquantified is often partially quantifiable, but that would take effort, and the statistics aren't currently on the dashboard…)

See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodhart%27s_law

> When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure.

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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It is obvious what will happen. The education system will crumble, inequality will grow, and to make up for having a poorly educated work force we will adopt more automation or AI-assisted tasks with very structured workflows to reduce cognitive requirements. Only elites will be able to afford giving their children strong educations and social experiences, presumably with other elite children. This will allow some ch…

>Only elites will be able to afford giving their children strong educations and social experiences How about learning from the Internet?

Doesn’t work very well with young children.

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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I'm not sure I like this article. They seems to overstate what the sources they link to claim. For example the article says > Some researchers are skeptical that school closures reduce Covid cases in most instances. But when you go to the study they link, it says > Although school closures reduce the number of contacts children have, and may decrease transmission, a study of 12 million adults in the UK found no diffe…

This is an attempt at manufacturing consensus by making it seem like these arguments are coming “from the adults in the room” because it’s in the NYTimes. They’re so good at gaslighting their readers (and I say this coming from the left of the NYT, not the right). You’ll start to see liberal politicians using these same talking points in the coming weeks, guaranteed.

Exactly. The NYTimes is the worst, it’s like the paternalistic dad-figure of the media.

In this case I think they’re right; omicron is a super spreading variant that is less lethal and impossible to control. Their audience is sick of lockdowns and employers are tightening the screws.

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My last year of higher edu was remote and I really loved it in 80% Finally I didn't have to waste time on commute and it was way easier to ignore doubtful profs/useless courses and focus on the right things. but yea, things may be harder if you don't know people you're studying with

Why did you take useless classes? Colleges give students great leeway in course selection.

(not US)

I couldn't

I could only take "specialisation" - a few courses at the last year or something like that.

It could be software engineering / cybersecurity / something else

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