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Re: Ask HN: Let's build an HN uBlacklist to improve our Google search results?

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Post by dang »

endisneigh wrote: post #221
tyingq wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't give any query to be debunked. I gave an example of a query to see the copycat sites. It does that just fine. Re-read it with some benefit of the doubt maybe? Your rant seems to be based on the idea that my upthread post was something that it wasn't. I did note that one copycat site was ranking above SO, but that was secondary. As for a query with a shit ton of ads and widgets? Try vegas hotels, or anything…

All I’m saying is that claims should have proof

Would you please make your substantive points without degenerating into the flamewar style? You did it repeatedly in this thread, and worse each time. That's the opposite of the direction we want things to go here.

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Re: Ask HN: Let's build an HN uBlacklist to improve our Google search results?

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Post by dang »

tyingq wrote: post #224
endisneigh wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Burden of proof of the opposite would be on you. What, lol. I'm not making any claims. You're the one saying Google is becoming complacent. I'm asking for proof of this, lol. >> I believe they've become more complacent since there is no competitive pressure, yes.

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Please don't perpetuate flamewars on HN; especially not the tit-for-tat kind where two users butt heads and get their horns entangled.

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Re: Ask HN: Let's build an HN uBlacklist to improve our Google search results?

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Post by Siira »

tyingq wrote: post #55

>become worse lately thanks to all those StackOverflow and Github clones A google search showing some of these leech type sites: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22code+that+protects+users+... For me, "farath.com" is outranking stackoverflow.

> farath.com was first indexed by Google more than 10 years ago

This seems pretty suspicious? Is it reporting the first time Google crawled the main domain farath.com? How is that relevant information?

Re: Ask HN: Let's build an HN uBlacklist to improve our Google search results?

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Post by Terry_Roll »

endisneigh wrote: post #174
tyingq wrote: post #55

>become worse lately thanks to all those StackOverflow and Github clones A google search showing some of these leech type sites: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22code+that+protects+users+... For me, "farath.com" is outranking stackoverflow.

This is a great example of why "Google sucks!!11" is mainly FUD. Let's say you're looking for the SO link, which is #2 for Google. Let's compare: Google ("code that protects users from accidentally invoking the script when they didn't intend to") Link: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22code+that+protects+users+... SO - #2 Bing ("code that protects users from accidentally invoking the script when they didn't intend t…

I have noticed that Google and Bing seem to present results which link to sites like stackoverflow.com where the questions and solutions are absolute FUD.

I think someone or an entity has been engaged in a consertive effort to manipulate the results if its not something more nefarious in Google and Bing's domain.

Very few entities have the resources to do this either, its not something a ragtag band of goat herders could, thats for sure!

Re: Ask HN: Let's build an HN uBlacklist to improve our Google search results?

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Post by judge2020 »

Siira wrote: post #243
tyingq wrote: post #55

>become worse lately thanks to all those StackOverflow and Github clones A google search showing some of these leech type sites: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22code+that+protects+users+... For me, "farath.com" is outranking stackoverflow.

> farath.com was first indexed by Google more than 10 years ago This seems pretty suspicious? Is it reporting the first time Google crawled the main domain farath.com? How is that relevant information?

This is the first time it crawled the domain at all. It's been a website since at least 2008[0], but was recently re-registered in 2020[1].

0: https://web.archive.org/web/20080607010730/http://www.farath...

1: https://who.is/whois/farath.com

Re: Ask HN: Let's build an HN uBlacklist to improve our Google search results?

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Post by judge2020 »

littlecranky67 wrote: post #158
ericbarrett wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is allegedly paid lots of money to not do this: https://www.macrumors.com/2021/08/27/google-could-pay-apple-...

Wow, $20Bn per year . This smells a lot like anti-competetive behavior, I wonder what happened to that lawsuit.

It's legally not anti-competitive behavior (as in, both Google and Apple's lawyers believe so) because it's just a 'default search engine' fee - everyone knows that iOS/Safari is the most lucrative platform to be the default search provider for, so a large number like $20 billion is to-be-expected. I'm sure that, in a lawsuit, Apple would argue "if someone else came and paid us $21 billion, we'd take it and drop Google/start a yearly auction" but no other search engine has that budget.

Apple is surely free to make their own search engine, and to an extent, they do - in Safari, the "suggested sites" feature is a search engine but one that only returns {single result | no result} and only works on iOS/Safari. On that same note, you can prove this by tracking search engine user agents for your website to look for Applebot/0.1 hits (if your site is popular enough).

Re: Ask HN: Let's build an HN uBlacklist to improve our Google search results?

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Post by mthoms »

germandiago wrote: post #146
profunctor wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has nothing to do with socialism. Since it is a problem under capitalism why don't we call it "capitalist". Or maybe we could just say lazy.

The irony here about socialism for me is that I find plenty of people that would fall in those ideals (not only in those, but most of the time) that tell you what is good or bad for everyone else but they seldom do what they say. That is why I said "everyone else's job" is an approximation of "socialism" in my view. I cannot see how that would be a vice of capitalism since capitalism is basically non-intervention and…

>That is why I said "everyone else's job" is an approximation of "socialism" in my view.

I don't think socialism is the word you're looking for. If you're trying to say that the described behaviour ("it's everyone else's job") is common in, or a byproduct of, a socialist system then it would make more sense (though it could be argued).

But that doesn't make it a correct "approximation" of socialism. Socialism is:

>a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

https://www.lexico.com/definition/socialism

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