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NitroPhone 2/Pro with 4.5 years of software updates

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Re: NitroPhone 2/Pro with 4.5 years of software updates

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If you're in the market for such a phone may I ask, without judgement, why? I'm very interested in whether this is aimed particularly at certain professions, if more and more people fear violation of personal privacy, etc. Again, no judgement or preconception - I'm asking in good faith.

Two major reasons:

1. I don't want my data used against me politically - there are legitimate reasons to shield your personal data to protect yourself from political persecution from ordinary people to the government. E.g. A gay man may fear his homophobic colleagues will bully him, a migrant may fear that his right-wing boss may fire him if he knows his origins, a muslim may prefer to not grow a beard or a Sikh not wear turban to hide his identity to safeguard himself from unwanted hostile attention from strangers etc. etc. E.g. 2 - The United State government now demands that you tell them about all your email and social media accounts when you apply for a US visa.

2. I don't want my data used against me commercially - BigTech want more and more data about us to determine how to influence our behaviour. Preventing them access to my personal data protects and allows me to make rational purchase decisions, rather than those based on impulses influenced by BigTech overt or covert advertising.

Denying corporates access to our personal data does both, because BigTech now also sell our data to government agencies. Since the government is one of their target customer base with a big purse, BigTech have now also started using our personal data to try and influence us politically.

Re: NitroPhone 2/Pro with 4.5 years of software updates

#53

Serious question; not trying to be snarky. Other than just personal privacy preferences what would are some practical reasons for why someone would use this phone?

In terms of user experience, it's pretty obvious that GrapheneOS suffers by comparison. For example, the camera app isn't as amazing as it is on Pixel with full Google Android, and it probably never will be . You can install apps from the Google pay store with Aurora -- even things like Google maps and Gboard for swipe typing, but you will probably prefer them to be more secure and so you'll lock them down as much as…

> For example, the camera app isn't as amazing as it is on Pixel with full Google Android, and it probably never will be.

I haven't used Graphene but I assume most users do what most Calyx users do, which is extract the gcam apk before flashing, install it, and completely block its internet access with the firewall. We can and do use the stock camera, and it's great.

Re: NitroPhone 2/Pro with 4.5 years of software updates

#54
I honestly hope they fund the Graphene OS project if they do this or if nothing else, make it clear that you could also do this yourself. /e OS tells you that you can install it if you havr compatible hardware or buy it from them, same for Calyx OS.

For those wondering why you'd want this - I use Graphene OS on an old Pixel 3 and battery lasts 2-3 days easily. I dont have to constantly fight all anti-patterns in modern day Android, but I can still chat, email, text, browse and watch videos...

Re: NitroPhone 2/Pro with 4.5 years of software updates

#55
"Comparison With e.g. LineageOS, CalyxOS, /e/

LineageOS, CalyxOS, /e/ and other Android distributions essentially rely on the standard Android which only comes with its own selection of apps. GrapheneOS, on the other hand, is an elaborately hardened Android and should therefore be seen as its own operating system. In addition, security updates are often provided late by the distributions mentioned at the beginning."

Pretty low to call out other Android projects in a marketing release but falls directly in line with how the GrapheneOS project treats the community. Won't be buying this or recommending it.

Re: NitroPhone 2/Pro with 4.5 years of software updates

#56
post #5

Easy to offer 4.5 years of software updates, but will the company be around in 4.5 years?

4.5 years also isn't that much. I just replaced my 5 years old phone, but only because it's not actually my own, but paid for by work. Had it been my own, I'd get the battery replaced and the charging port cleaned instead. The battery replacement isn't even that expensive.

Using a five year old phone isn't an issue anymore, they are fast enough that it doesn't matter.

Re: NitroPhone 2/Pro with 4.5 years of software updates

#57

"Comparison With e.g. LineageOS, CalyxOS, /e/ LineageOS, CalyxOS, /e/ and other Android distributions essentially rely on the standard Android which only comes with its own selection of apps. GrapheneOS, on the other hand, is an elaborately hardened Android and should therefore be seen as its own operating system. In addition, security updates are often provided late by the distributions mentioned at the beginning."…

First of all, I am fairly sure GrapheneOS is in no way affiliated to NitroPhone which just packages their work and sells it with no work done by themselves.

Second of all, the only accusation I see is on your part.

Re: NitroPhone 2/Pro with 4.5 years of software updates

#58
post #9

Why are they advertising 4.5 years of software updates? Is it because Android phones usually have an even shorter compat period than 4.5 years? How many years should I expect if I got the same model otherwise (Pixel?)?

> Is it because Android phones usually have an even shorter compat period than 4.5 years?

Yes, most of them. But the Pixel is an exception with 4 years of software and 5 years of security updates promised directly by Google.

Re: NitroPhone 2/Pro with 4.5 years of software updates

#59

What a scam. Something like Pine phone which allows you to customize the OS to your liking seems much more reasonable. I also would prefer a hard switch for things like cams and mics, removing them seems lazy.

Physical kill switches are completely useless though. They provide no added benefit, if you can’t trust the OS you already lost. It is even possible to reconstruct speech from gyroscope data.

Re: NitroPhone 2/Pro with 4.5 years of software updates

#60
post #57

"Comparison With e.g. LineageOS, CalyxOS, /e/ LineageOS, CalyxOS, /e/ and other Android distributions essentially rely on the standard Android which only comes with its own selection of apps. GrapheneOS, on the other hand, is an elaborately hardened Android and should therefore be seen as its own operating system. In addition, security updates are often provided late by the distributions mentioned at the beginning."…

First of all, I am fairly sure GrapheneOS is in no way affiliated to NitroPhone which just packages their work and sells it with no work done by themselves. Second of all, the only accusation I see is on your part.

We don't have any issue with Nitrokey selling phones with GrapheneOS. They're one of several vendors providing users with a way to buy a phone shipping with GrapheneOS. Our web installer is very easy to use and even very non-technical users are able to use it with the help of our community. There are always many people in our Matrix room willing to provide lots of help to new users around the clock. Some people are still going to want to purchase a phone with it instead of needing to install it, and Nitrokey is a trustworthy vendor providing it. Our recommendation to most people is using the web installer and asking for help if they experience any issues. It's very easy to do from another Android phone, ChromeOS or macOS. It's a little bit more involved on Windows due to needing to install a special driver. The web installer works well for people with barely any technical knowledge. The main roadblock people experience is trying to use a non-spec-compliant USB-A to USB-C cable which is resolved by them getting a proper one or using the official USB-C to USB-C cable from another device like another Android phone.

joemazerino has been spreading misinformation about GrapheneOS including personal attacks and libel targeting our developers for years. You can see a bunch of it in their comment history among other gems like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26974901. They've been regularly promoting a proprietary fork of GrapheneOS which falsely pretends to be the original project. It's barely maintained with the last release in September and almost zero development since they forked our project in 2018. That product is pure grift and very openly scamming people. It's unfortunate that a product depending on our work has invested substantial effort into harming us but that's the reality for us. A small number of people got duped by that and it snowballed into further attacks on the project which are worse than ever thanks to the help of an certain faux 'privacy activist' charlatan on YouTube. joemazerino made sure to spread a 1 hour hit piece with a whole bunch of fabrications about myself and the GrapheneOS project from that person. We're used to this and it comes with the territory in an industry with more scammers than people doing useful work.

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