Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Ask HN: Let's build an HN uBlacklist to improve our Google search results?

news.ycombinator.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

171–180 of 284 posts

Re: Ask HN: Let's build an HN uBlacklist to improve our Google search results?

#171

Post by littlecranky67 »

stevenleeg wrote: post #108
omnicognate wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any recommendation? I use ddg but it's Bing based and the results are no better.

I've been using Kagi over the last few days and have actually been pleasantly surprised with it performing better than both Google and DDG for my use cases. It's still free during the beta so might be worth giving it a shot.

Thanks for sharing this link! I described my odyssey to finding craft printers in this thread [0], and just repeated the search on kagi.com. The results are better IMHO, even though the first hit is a link to some kind of Mindcraft-clone game that allows to craft printers. The second link directs at least to Canon's Craft Landingpage, and there are way less Spamsites and more Manufacturers links within the first 20 results. Those sites that are Spam, are at least a bit more disguised/offer more content than usual so I will let kagi get away with that.

[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29772136

Re: Ask HN: Let's build an HN uBlacklist to improve our Google search results?

#172

Post by nitrogen »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #77
geofft wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the question was specifically about declining to improve one's own circumstances because someone else could, not declining to help someone else. That's different from the bystander effect as usually conceived. The theoretical bystander effect is something like "Someone is being attacked, I could call 911 but someone else will;" this is perhaps something like "I am being attacked, I could scream for help but o…

Fair enough, maybe Learned Helplessness is a better fit.

I feel like the iterated prisoner's dilemma is part of it too -- if you let someone off the hook repeatedly for defecting, you just enable them to continue defecting.

Or somewhat related, the "if you touch it you own it" problem.

So to overcome this learned helplessness effect, we'd need a good strategy to prevent the deterioration of duty of whoever is "supposed" to be fixing a problem, and/or a way to cut out the derelicts entirely.

Re: Ask HN: Let's build an HN uBlacklist to improve our Google search results?

#173

Post by littlecranky67 »

antihero wrote: post #124
JonathanBuchh wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve also been using https://kagi.com for the past couple of days and have found the search results to be unparalleled to both Google and DuckDuckGo. I haven’t come across any SEO spam and the results seem to be of better quality overall. They have all of the same bangs DDG uses and get results from Bing, Google, and a bespoke index. Because they query Bing and Google, it will be pretty expensive when it launches (it…

Hmm, annoyingly some bloody invite based thing instead of just being able to try the damn thing. What is this, 2004?

Just tried and it seems we have an underdog here that could be useful to avoid spammy results. I can totally see why they want this to be invite only, as they probably need to find out how to scale well. If it would go viral suddenly, they might not collapse and the whole effect would backfire.

Edit: This is really promising and interesting. They show a summary of the link when you hover over the crystal ball icon next to it, together with a button for "Block" and "Boost" - i.e. you can vote with your account. These metrics could be used for ranking and kill affiliate marketers.

Re: Ask HN: Let's build an HN uBlacklist to improve our Google search results?

#174

Post by endisneigh »

tyingq wrote: post #55

>become worse lately thanks to all those StackOverflow and Github clones A google search showing some of these leech type sites: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22code+that+protects+users+... For me, "farath.com" is outranking stackoverflow.

This is a great example of why "Google sucks!!11" is mainly FUD. Let's say you're looking for the SO link, which is #2 for Google. Let's compare:

Google ("code that protects users from accidentally invoking the script when they didn't intend to")

Link: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22code+that+protects+users+...

SO - #2

Bing ("code that protects users from accidentally invoking the script when they didn't intend to")

Link: https://www.bing.com/search?q=%22code+that+protects+users+fr...

SO - #2

Brave Search

Link: https://search.brave.com/search?q=%22code+that+protects+user...

SO - Not on page

You.com

Link: https://you.com/search?q=%22code%20that%20protects%20users%2...

SO - Doesn't load

DuckDuckGo:

Link: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22code+that+protects+users+from+a...

SO - #2 (seems to depend on refresh)

Basically they're all the same. Google is faster, but the order of the results is identical.

If you did a large scale analysis in this manner I doubt Google would lose.

Re: Ask HN: Let's build an HN uBlacklist to improve our Google search results?

#175

Post by nitrogen »

nixcraft wrote: post #122
jhchabran wrote: post #5

That's an ambitious goal, I'm not sure to see how that would be maintainable on the long run. On a much smaller scale, if anyone is interested, I maintain a black list focused on those code snippet content farms that gets in the way when you're searching for some error message or particular function here https://github.com/jhchabran/code-search-blacklist .

May I know why my domain (cyberciti.biz) was added to that list? I created my site back in 2000, and there was no StackOverflow or anything. So much for creating original content and then getting labelled as a spammer. In fact, some of the top answers on StackOverflow were copied from my work without giving any credit to me. Some people do give credit tho. But, go ahead block a site that actual humans maintain over 2…

What CDN do you use? I was immediately asked to solve a captcha from my phone.

Re: Ask HN: Let's build an HN uBlacklist to improve our Google search results?

#176

Post by tyingq »

endisneigh wrote: post #174
tyingq wrote: post #55

>become worse lately thanks to all those StackOverflow and Github clones A google search showing some of these leech type sites: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22code+that+protects+users+... For me, "farath.com" is outranking stackoverflow.

This is a great example of why "Google sucks!!11" is mainly FUD. Let's say you're looking for the SO link, which is #2 for Google. Let's compare: Google ("code that protects users from accidentally invoking the script when they didn't intend to") Link: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22code+that+protects+users+... SO - #2 Bing ("code that protects users from accidentally invoking the script when they didn't intend t…

I'm not sure it's a good example, really. It's an "exact phrase search" with quotes, which doesn't happen much in real life.

It was helpful solely to show what some of these leech sites are.

Searching for (without quotes): What does if __name__ == "__main__": do?

Is probably a better test of which search engine has better results for the real-life query. Google might still win, but it should do a better job of screening out the spammy sites. It used to be better at this.

Re: Ask HN: Let's build an HN uBlacklist to improve our Google search results?

#177

Post by nixcraft »

nitrogen wrote: post #175
nixcraft wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

May I know why my domain (cyberciti.biz) was added to that list? I created my site back in 2000, and there was no StackOverflow or anything. So much for creating original content and then getting labelled as a spammer. In fact, some of the top answers on StackOverflow were copied from my work without giving any credit to me. Some people do give credit tho. But, go ahead block a site that actual humans maintain over 2…

What CDN do you use? I was immediately asked to solve a captcha from my phone.

Cloudflare sometimes triggers those when they think IP reputation is not good. Typically happens for data centre IP ranges as WAF has an anti-bot feature. So I know it is a problem for some.

Re: Ask HN: Let's build an HN uBlacklist to improve our Google search results?

#178

Post by tyingq »

tobyjsullivan wrote: post #168
ahurmazda wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tried you.com[1]. The first few results seem quite relevant. Best part is that you can actually personalize the weights to assign to your search (your very own bubble) https://you.com/search?q=code%20that%20protects%20users%20fr...

This isn't the same search. The parent post had quotes around the phrase. You.com returns identical copy-cat results if you do the same search. To be fair, not sure what other results we'd expect if we're going to search for a specific, plagiarized phrase. Edit: actually, upon review, you.com does indeed give one extra useful result within the top three. So one point to gryffindor.

>To be fair, not sure what other results we'd expect if we're going to search for a specific, plagiarized phrase.

Yeah, I posted an exact search solely so people could see examples of the copycat sites. It's not a good example of a real life query in any way, and not useful for comparisons. It is interesting that Google puts one of the copycats above SO though.

Re: Ask HN: Let's build an HN uBlacklist to improve our Google search results?

#179

Post by bryguy32403 »

renewiltord wrote: post #121
asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a word for this tendency to say, "it's someone else's job" as a justification for doing nothing at all to help or improve one's own circumstances? I see more and more of it in the public discourse over the last years and it kind of bothers me. I see it a lot in conversations related to poverty or climate change, but it is as we see here by no means exclusive to those topics. To the original replyer: you coul…

Internal v External Loci of Control perhaps?

Exactly this. I've seen it around on this site a lot lately.

Re: Ask HN: Let's build an HN uBlacklist to improve our Google search results?

#180

Post by freediver »

antihero wrote: post #124
JonathanBuchh wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve also been using https://kagi.com for the past couple of days and have found the search results to be unparalleled to both Google and DuckDuckGo. I haven’t come across any SEO spam and the results seem to be of better quality overall. They have all of the same bangs DDG uses and get results from Bing, Google, and a bespoke index. Because they query Bing and Google, it will be pretty expensive when it launches (it…

Hmm, annoyingly some bloody invite based thing instead of just being able to try the damn thing. What is this, 2004?

It is in closed, invite-only beta.
Post reply on HN