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Re: Burn My Windows

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Post by Aeolun »

BugsJustFindMe wrote: post #70
marcodiego wrote: post #26

Compiz was probably the single most impactful event for desktop linux of the mid 2000's. Not that it itself made much of a difference, but the ripples affect many areas we take for granted today. A few reasons: - it put linux ahead of windows and mac in terms of appearance; - it brought many new users and most were a good mix technical and enthusiasts; - it showed the advantages of modular software; - many plugins we…

Bunch of rose-tinted hogwash, this. > It pioneered useful things like selecting an area of the screen and saving it directly to a file Pioneered? This was a standard feature on Macs since January 1997. > It also showed how important compositing was on the desktop. No, that would be the Quartz and Quartz Extreme compositors released with Mac OSX 10.0-10.2 years prior. Compiz in the mid 2000s was a mixture of catching…

Maybe for the people that could afford to own a mac. Compiz was something I, a student could use though. And for free.

Maybe it’s more accurate to say it brought it into the reach of everyone with a bit of willingness to learn how to install an obscure OS (as opposed to having a ton of money)?

Re: Burn My Windows

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Post by matsemann »

throwaway889900 wrote: post #2

>You should also start your commit message with one applicable emoji I don't think many people will contribute with a rule like that. Project is neat though.

Gitmoji - Yay or Nay? 2019, 220 comments, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21760021

If you'd like more thoughts on the matter.

(and the original article now lives here: https://www.bekk.christmas/post/2019/11/gitmoji-yay-or-nay )

Re: Burn My Windows

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Post by dang »

BugsJustFindMe wrote: post #70
marcodiego wrote: post #26

Compiz was probably the single most impactful event for desktop linux of the mid 2000's. Not that it itself made much of a difference, but the ripples affect many areas we take for granted today. A few reasons: - it put linux ahead of windows and mac in terms of appearance; - it brought many new users and most were a good mix technical and enthusiasts; - it showed the advantages of modular software; - many plugins we…

Bunch of rose-tinted hogwash, this. > It pioneered useful things like selecting an area of the screen and saving it directly to a file Pioneered? This was a standard feature on Macs since January 1997. > It also showed how important compositing was on the desktop. No, that would be the Quartz and Quartz Extreme compositors released with Mac OSX 10.0-10.2 years prior. Compiz in the mid 2000s was a mixture of catching…

"When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. 'That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3' can be shortened to '1 + 1 is 2, not 3."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Burn My Windows

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Post by ratboy666 »

StillBored wrote: post #76
jeff_vader wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it interesting since JavaScript in this case is only "glue" language. Actual effects are hardware (?) shaders: https://github.com/Schneegans/Burn-My-Windows/blob/main/src/... .. Had no idea this is possible.

IMHO, its less about where the work is done (and yes i'm aware that gjs tends to be used mostly as glue, and the same with KDE) and more the fact that I don't want a big heavyweight garbage collected language deciding to garbage collect and glitch some part of the system, or JIT pass recompiling a bunch of code when I first click it. I despise latency in human computer interactions and everyone whines about how its w…

Ah ha!

Thank you the detail. The philosophy is that Gnome is NOT configurable, really, just does a VERY limited and consistent desktop thing. It doesn't even have icons on the desktop (by default).

I find that it is "easy" for most users -- there is really nothing there! If you want icons on the desktop, add an extension for that. And, the idea of extensions is that they are small programs that are easy to manage. It is possible to turn them all off with a click! (if they are getting in the way).

I just counted -- I have 36 extensions on my Gnome 41. Note that icons on the desktop = extension, start menu for programs = extension. You can certainly start programs without a start menu -- that is the default "Gnome Way".

On the other hand -- being able to consistently customize is very nice (I particularly like "argos" extension, which makes it delightfully easy to add buttons, gather and display information and more -- and as a bonus, is fully compatible with the MacOS bitbar plugin.

Yes, I use a lot of extensions, but I do have 4 or 8GB of RAM is my laptops, and i3 or better processors, so this becomes a reasonable fit for me.

Re: Burn My Windows

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Post by dhosek »

I wonder if it's possible to do things like this with Windows or MacOS. I love the idea of cool effects like this (even if the first thing I did after OSX introduced the genie effect was to turn it off—nowadays the hardware is fast enough for it to not be annoying and the split second of the window shrinking away is a nice visual cue as to what's happened especially if one accidentally hides the window via cmd-H).

Re: Burn My Windows

#87

Post by nicoburns »

jchw wrote: post #55
hammock wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dont know what Compiz is (not a linux user), but I seem to remember something like this mod existed for Windows in the 90s/00s

WindowBlinds had some similar features, but I’m pretty sure Compiz almost immediately did far more. The state of the art third party software on Windows in the 2000s tended to try to emulate Vista Aero on XP, or skin Vista/7 differently but with similar functionality. The Molten theme from WindowBlinds 6 is somewhat reminiscent of burning windows, but I don’t think it actually did that. Maybe at some point you could…

WindowBlinds was ok, but the performance was pretty bad and I don't think it could live-update the windows in the expose like view. It just displayed screenshots. Compiz on the other hand was silky smooth.

Re: Burn My Windows

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Post by MarkSweep »

BugsJustFindMe wrote: post #70
marcodiego wrote: post #26

Compiz was probably the single most impactful event for desktop linux of the mid 2000's. Not that it itself made much of a difference, but the ripples affect many areas we take for granted today. A few reasons: - it put linux ahead of windows and mac in terms of appearance; - it brought many new users and most were a good mix technical and enthusiasts; - it showed the advantages of modular software; - many plugins we…

Bunch of rose-tinted hogwash, this. > It pioneered useful things like selecting an area of the screen and saving it directly to a file Pioneered? This was a standard feature on Macs since January 1997. > It also showed how important compositing was on the desktop. No, that would be the Quartz and Quartz Extreme compositors released with Mac OSX 10.0-10.2 years prior. Compiz in the mid 2000s was a mixture of catching…

Also the composited desktop Aero shipped in Windows Vista in late 2006, the same year as the initial release of Compiz. Aero was originally demoed at WinHEC 2003, for whatever that is worth.

I don’t know how much these different compositing window managers inspired each other. To me it seems like there is some convergent evolution. Compositing window managers are obviously superior (no redrawing when moving windows). In the mid 2000s memory and graphics cards became cheap and powerful enough to make compositing viable.

Re: Burn My Windows

#89

Post by nicoburns »

BoxOfRain wrote: post #63
stevepike wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still use wobbly windows on KDE and it fills me with warm nostalgia.

I'm almost ashamed to admit how large of a reason wobbly windows working out of the box is for my continued preference for KDE in most cases. Does anyone know what the status of '00s desktop effects is on other common DEs? I'd guess it'd be easier to achieve on MATE than Cinnamon for example, though I've always liked Cinnamon.

There's a comment above saying that wobbly-windows is available as a gnome-shell extension.

Re: Burn My Windows

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Post by Legion »

Firehawke wrote: post #32
the_only_law wrote: post #19

I actually kind of want to use GNOME just for this now. Call me crazy but little novelties like this are part of what make computers fun.

That's really it-- it's a waste of resources, but it's such a tiny amount that all these effects are almost free. There's no point in not having a little fluff that makes the experience a bit more fun.

> it's a waste of resources

I always laugh at the people that take this notion way too seriously. If their CPU is only 98% idle, it's a travesty. I imagine the same people driving around in cars stripped of all paneling and upholstery, because every little bit of unnecessary weight hurts performance!

> There's no point in not having a little fluff that makes the experience a bit more fun.

Well put. Considering how much time we spend staring at these stupid little number boxes, things that makes the experience a little more enjoyable are worthwhile, even if they're dumb and frivolous.

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