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Re: Show HN: OnlyRecipe.app – Remove clutter from recipe sites

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Post by whiddershins »

littlecranky67 wrote: post #123
anamax wrote: post #118

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In the US, the facts in a phone book (names, numbers, addresses) are not copyrightable and neither is the collection. However, see the bit at the end about compilations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feist_Publications,_Inc.,_v._R... . I wonder whether "fake facts" (bogus names, numbers, addresses) are copyrightable. If they are, they can be used to give copyright protection to a collection even when the bulk of the…

Those fake facts are a thing and have a name [0], they are placed into phonebooks, dictionaries, encyclopedias etc. to detect copyright violations (i.e. somebody else stealing your compilation). [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fictitious_entry

And maps.

Re: Show HN: OnlyRecipe.app – Remove clutter from recipe sites

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Post by schnevets »

asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #97
tiborsaas wrote: post #82

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I don't usually search for recipes, but I got these just to test: "pizza pocket recipe" 2nd result is decent: https://foodnetwork.co.uk/recipes/pizza-pockets/ "lasagne recipe easy" 1st result is good: https://www.spendwithpennies.com/easy-homemade-lasagna/ "sushi recipe chicken" 1st result is to the point https://www.tegel.co.nz/recipes/teriyaki-chicken-sushi/ Note that I have adblocker so I don't know how many ads y…

The lasagne recipe page would be one I count as bad. There's a lot of useless text before the recipe. The other two result pages are good. Interesting enough, the big name recipe sites: Allrecipes, food network, NYTimes, binging with babish etc. all are short and to the point. But for some reason the crappy recipe sites outperform them on Google.

The Lasagna recipe is an independent cooking blogger (note the "Hi there, I'm Holly!" in the top-right corner). Food Network, Allrecipes, Tegel, and other sites mentioned are not promoting a specific person, but an entire brand. Babish is the exception to this rule, but he "changed the game" by going for YouTube instead of blogs.

Although the optimization is infuriating, in my search to become a decent cook, I have found more success following specific writers instead of a top result/highest rated meal. Many of these writers self-promote (and cross-promote) on sites with the same template as spendwithpennies.com

I wouldn't be surprised if that annoying SEO template was designed in collaboration with Cookbook publishers. The "anecdote before recipe" style was made famous in Irma S. Rombauer's Joy of Cooking, and took on a variety of forms throughout the 20th century.

Re: Show HN: OnlyRecipe.app – Remove clutter from recipe sites

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Post by zhte415 »

2bitencryption wrote: post #11

What is the reason that every single recipe site, without fail, follows this same horrible pattern? I.e. the twenty paragraph "When I was a child growing up in Atlanta..." followed by a crappy in-house video player followed by, finally, the actual recipe? My assumption is SEO? For some reason, Google must really like having tons of text on your page, and dislikes simple "here's the recipe"? etc? Second question - any…

I also see similar WordPress themes appear on supposedly independent sites with individual authors. Similar down to the email sign-up popups.

I get that some WP themes are more popular than the bazillion available, but the consistency in look and feel between a Malaysian immigrant to New York cooking curries I know aren't that Malaysian and a stay at home mom in Ohio doing baking that may have been passed down by a great aunt that tweaked a King Arthur Flour recipe is often remarkable.

Re: Show HN: OnlyRecipe.app – Remove clutter from recipe sites

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Post by srcreigh »

asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #97
tiborsaas wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't usually search for recipes, but I got these just to test: "pizza pocket recipe" 2nd result is decent: https://foodnetwork.co.uk/recipes/pizza-pockets/ "lasagne recipe easy" 1st result is good: https://www.spendwithpennies.com/easy-homemade-lasagna/ "sushi recipe chicken" 1st result is to the point https://www.tegel.co.nz/recipes/teriyaki-chicken-sushi/ Note that I have adblocker so I don't know how many ads y…

The lasagne recipe page would be one I count as bad. There's a lot of useless text before the recipe. The other two result pages are good. Interesting enough, the big name recipe sites: Allrecipes, food network, NYTimes, binging with babish etc. all are short and to the point. But for some reason the crappy recipe sites outperform them on Google.

The "Jump To Recipe" button on the Lasagna page took to straight to the ingredients

Re: Show HN: OnlyRecipe.app – Remove clutter from recipe sites

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Post by shortformblog »

AwkwardPanda wrote: post #2

It can get frustrating skimming through text walls just to find the recipe on blogs/sites. Authors do it to get high ranking on Google. You can use OnlyRecipe.app to extract the recipe information. It works on almost all sites/blogs which follow a recipe standard when they post. You can also save it to your phone directly using the app. Scan recipe QR code using your phone camera and voila. Android: https://play.goog…

FYI, you are about to get eaten alive by foodies. https://www.eater.com/22307633/why-are-people-mad-at-recipea...

Re: Show HN: OnlyRecipe.app – Remove clutter from recipe sites

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Post by heliodor »

csa wrote: post #57
gamerDude wrote: post #39

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If this is true. Is there any harm in putting the recipe at the top and the story below?

> If this is true. Is there any harm in putting the recipe at the top and the story below? From an SEO perspective, yes. Time spent on page will be less if the recipe is on the top.

A better measure as to whether the user found what they were looking for would be if Google checked if the user continues browsing through subsequent search results or not.

Re: Show HN: OnlyRecipe.app – Remove clutter from recipe sites

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Post by technothrasher »

seanhunter wrote: post #25
2bitencryption wrote: post #11

What is the reason that every single recipe site, without fail, follows this same horrible pattern? I.e. the twenty paragraph "When I was a child growing up in Atlanta..." followed by a crappy in-house video player followed by, finally, the actual recipe? My assumption is SEO? For some reason, Google must really like having tons of text on your page, and dislikes simple "here's the recipe"? etc? Second question - any…

My understanding is there are 3 reasons. 1)The authors want to build a brand for themselves rather than just provide you with recipes. This helps to get further opportunities for them and differentiates their cookbook/site from others in a very crowded market 2)A lot of people read cookbooks as books rather than just when they are cooking and this philosophy seems to have been copied over to recipe sites 3)Copyright.…

The "listing of ingredients" and "simple set of directions" are not copyrightable in the US (I have no idea about other countries). Photographs, drawings, and background info such as explanations of how or why the recipe works may all be copyrightable though.

https://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ33.pdf

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