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Challenge HN: Convince an ancient Greek that you are from the future

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Re: Challenge HN: Convince an ancient Greek that you are from the future

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I can't do it in weeks, it would take years. I'd set up a blacksmith shop, then work up the chain to a machine shop with thread cutting lathe, planer, etc. I'd be making involute gears within a decade.

Once you've got a machine shop, you can make movable type, and work towards a printing press.

Another approach would be to make a slide ruler, showing them logarithms. I've done that by hand, in a crude manner. Decimal numbers would be among the lessons required to make it useful.

Re: Challenge HN: Convince an ancient Greek that you are from the future

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Of the top of my head, without studying:

I could make soap and biodiesel from wood ash and olive oil... Though I'm not sure which one, lol.

I could also make some batteries, a basic generator/motor, etc.

Some basic chemistry. I could make hydrogen which I'm sure would be a crowd pleaser.

I could most likely muddle through my math to contribute some stuff that's unknown at the time, I could definitely "invent" a bunch of algorithms, data structures, encodings. I could also atleast describe a functioning CPU/computer. Maybe I could figure out how to make vacuum tubes? I'm sure I could find a glass blower to make the tubes themselves, but I'm not sure what material you'd need for the filaments, or how to pull a vacuum. I could most likely make a mechanical computer, or even adder/counter with enough time. Introducing Arab numerals could be big.

I could make a telegraph If I get steady electricity figured out, hell, maybe even a telephone. Sadly I'm not really sure how radio works.

Some basic economics/astronomy/cosmology/philosophy/sociology/political theory/evolution might not be immediately relevant, but if I write it down folks might find it interesting in a few hundred years after the fact.

I could also describe a nuclear reactor and nuclear bomb in broad strokes, along with firearms I suppose. I'm pretty sure gunpowder is charcoal and something with nitrogen right, potash, or is it a nitrogen containing mineral you dig out of the ground right? You can make a type of solid rocket fuel with sugar and iron rust, right? Maybe I could make chlorine gas, since that's just hydrolyzing molten salt, right?.

I think I could make a laythe? And therefore a piston which I could use to make a steam engine, put that on tracks or a boat. And y'know of course Cannons if I get gunpowder figured out.

You can mass produce steel or iron by pumping air through iron ore and coal/charcoal right?

I could make a simple printing press, maybe even a rotary one. Oh yeah, and paper making!

Maybe I could make a telescope, use the moon's of Jupiter to get accurate time keeping and do accurate cartography, along with knowing about the Americas, general Asian geography, Australia, etc. Maybe I could make a somewhat accurate maritime clock knowing that the guy who originally made one used strips of metal to adjust the clock speed at different temperatures to handle thermal expansion of components? That would help help solve the longitude problem? How accurate are capacitor clocks?

I'm also mid transition Trans, so I'm not sure how that would go down. Hopefully the Greeks are less witch burny. You can make HRT with concentrated female horse urine, right?

Convincing folks to brush there teeth could be big. Ntm washing hands and a germ theory of medicine. To bad I have no idea how to make anti-biotics, but maybe I could set others in the right direction. Though it's fairly simple to make petri dishes and isolate cultures right? The petri dish is just boiled gelatin made with sugar and beef broth poured into a container which can be somewhat easily sealed, maybe with wax?

If I have the resources sending some folks to the new world to pick up potatoes, corn, and beans would be great. Some basic nutrition advice could be good, the importance of vitamin C, vitamin A, macronutrients etc.

Maybe I could make some sheepskin condoms and introduce some family planning concepts/ plus some basic sex ed?

I might be able to organize a few manufactureries using division of labor/production lines with the help of some local artisans, then maybe do some light mechanization using water power atleast, or steam power if I get that figured out. Also ntm designing based on replaceable parts could be big.

Maybe I could make a mechanical loom if I tinker away at it?

I know how an ic engine works in principal, but I'm not sure I could make one without a machine shop. Maybe I could make an electric tractor plugged into a watermill generator or something?

Re: Challenge HN: Convince an ancient Greek that you are from the future

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Of the top of my head, without studying: I could make soap and biodiesel from wood ash and olive oil... Though I'm not sure which one, lol. I could also make some batteries, a basic generator/motor, etc. Some basic chemistry. I could make hydrogen which I'm sure would be a crowd pleaser. I could most likely muddle through my math to contribute some stuff that's unknown at the time, I could definitely "invent" a bunch…

Oh and outlining refrigeration/air conditioning, though I'm not what I could use as a refrigerant. Pasteurization and even canning high pH foods would be pretty easy in the grand scheme of things.

Oh! And Newtonian physics, throw some stuff off a cliff to demonstrate that heavier things don't fall faster.

Also obviously I'd want to ferment a slave rebellion at some point to get rid of the ruling class of slave owning aristocrats who waste a bunch of education and resources sitting around drinking all day.

Organizing a basic army based on slings/primitive firearms, shield walls/formations, guerilla warfare, a meritocratic officer corps, and explosives if I could produce them could definitely be effective against most militaries of the time. A hot air balloon with primitive bombs, maybe someone would still have the recipe for Greek fire, could be effective.

Re: Challenge HN: Convince an ancient Greek that you are from the future

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> Sure, but that wouldn't prove you were from the future any more than it proved that Euclid was from the future. By that standard it doesn't seem like any scientific or technological knowledge could prove you're from the future, either. The only way to show you're from the future that can't also be explained by being from the present and having great knowledge/intelligence is to predict the unpredictable. But, you'v…

"Prove" is too strong a word and I shouldn't have used it. That's why the challenge is "convince", not "prove". But I don't think anyone ever even suspected that Euclid was from the future.

I think by those standards it would depend as much on persuasiveness as anything else. It seems really hard to differentiate between “from the future” and “from somewhere else more advanced”, especially with your constraints.

Even if you loosen some of the constraints it’s hard. You could show up with a Jeep and some people would think you’re from the future and some would think you’re just from somewhere else. Even if your predict their future that may not convince someone! Predict an eclipse and they might say eclipses are predictable (of course, they’re right), predict the outcome of a battle and they’ll say you can see the future but that doesn’t mean you’ve been there.

Re: Challenge HN: Convince an ancient Greek that you are from the future

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I can't do it in weeks, it would take years. I'd set up a blacksmith shop, then work up the chain to a machine shop with thread cutting lathe, planer, etc. I'd be making involute gears within a decade. Once you've got a machine shop, you can make movable type, and work towards a printing press. Another approach would be to make a slide ruler, showing them logarithms. I've done that by hand, in a crude manner. Decimal…

Seems like the clock shouldn't start ticking until you actually start trying to convince somebody. So, take your time making the equipment you need to demonstrate the photoelectric effect, and c, and the moons of Mars, Jupiter and Saturn (and existence of Uranus and Neptune), and electromagnetic induction.

But maybe all you really need is to solve quadratic equations and demonstrate integral calculus, and maybe disprove some famous conjectures. Show that pi is transcendental, and introduce e, non-integral powers and logarithms, and infinite sums. And (la pièce de résistance) zero. You will need zero to explain limits.

Re: Challenge HN: Convince an ancient Greek that you are from the future

#36

I guess start by describing what I know of orbital mechanics and how the solar system works. After that, build a small furnace with an exhaust that can shift a propellor shaft. After that, a flushing toilet. Then describe a manual Blockchain and mint the world's first NFT.

And then convince them to mine bitcoin with pen and paper.

Re: Challenge HN: Convince an ancient Greek that you are from the future

#37

I guess start by describing what I know of orbital mechanics and how the solar system works. After that, build a small furnace with an exhaust that can shift a propellor shaft. After that, a flushing toilet. Then describe a manual Blockchain and mint the world's first NFT.

I almost choked on my coffee at the blockchain / NFT comment. Well-played.

Re: Challenge HN: Convince an ancient Greek that you are from the future

#38
Nothing impresses as much as a deadly weapon.

Learn to make Gunpowder.

If there were wise men, teach them the value of Zero.

If everything else fails, claim to be a prophet and produce a book with some vague moral values. Make the claim that you are from the future, one of the cardinal dogmas.

Re: Challenge HN: Convince an ancient Greek that you are from the future

#39

I guess start by describing what I know of orbital mechanics and how the solar system works. After that, build a small furnace with an exhaust that can shift a propellor shaft. After that, a flushing toilet. Then describe a manual Blockchain and mint the world's first NFT.

I almost choked on my coffee at the blockchain / NFT comment. Well-played.

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