I'm loving reading through all of the sickening puff pieces that business/tech journalists put out about her and Theranos. It's funny to think back to 2015 and the hagiographical void still left in tech journo hearts after Steve Jobs died. https://www.inc.com/ilan-mochari/elizabeth-holmes-theranos-i... > How Elizabeth Holmes Became America's New Entrepreneurial Icon > She represents the part of entrepreneurship that…
Gell-Man Amnesia Effect in full effect. Will we remember when we read the next PR piece/pump and dump disguised as journalism?
Elizabeth Holmes found guilty
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Re: Elizabeth Holmes found guilty
#762I'm loving reading through all of the sickening puff pieces that business/tech journalists put out about her and Theranos. It's funny to think back to 2015 and the hagiographical void still left in tech journo hearts after Steve Jobs died. https://www.inc.com/ilan-mochari/elizabeth-holmes-theranos-i... > How Elizabeth Holmes Became America's New Entrepreneurial Icon > She represents the part of entrepreneurship that…
Gell-Man Amnesia Effect in full effect. Will we remember when we read the next PR piece/pump and dump disguised as journalism?
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#763Earlier quoted context omitted.
From former AUSA, and current white-collar defense attorney Ken White: "She faces a max of 65 years (3x20 + 1x5). And it's not at all clear she'll do less than 20." Apparently the sentences will not necessarily be served concurrently. https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1478170494130003976?s=20
I hate Holmes as much as anyone [0], but life in prison (65 years when you're 37 = out when you're 102) sounds unreasonably harsh. She's not convicted of actually, physically harming anyone, esp. patients (which doesn't mean she didn't -- but she wasn't found guilty of that); she's convicted of lying to investors. That's obviously bad, and should carry some form of punishment. Maybe 5 years? But life?? That's insane.…
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#764I'm loving reading through all of the sickening puff pieces that business/tech journalists put out about her and Theranos. It's funny to think back to 2015 and the hagiographical void still left in tech journo hearts after Steve Jobs died. https://www.inc.com/ilan-mochari/elizabeth-holmes-theranos-i... > How Elizabeth Holmes Became America's New Entrepreneurial Icon > She represents the part of entrepreneurship that…
"If you haven't yet heard of Elizabeth Holmes, you soon will." And how!
Yes... Something like that.
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#765That aged well. https://web.archive.org/web/20160320011355/https://www.thera...
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#766Earlier quoted context omitted.
That proving some things in court is easier than other things and by reducing down nuanced legal systems to "rich bad" doesn't help the situation any.
Despite this being true, it is important that people are prosecuted for the "all" the wrongs they did and not just the "easy" ones. It isn't much of a justice system if you can get away with "hard to prosecute" crimes.
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#767The relevant detail, in my mind, is not whether Holmes deserves punishment, or even how much. The relevant detail is how the judge ultimately sentences Holmes, and more importantly, on what basis the judge selects the upper or lower range of possible sentencing outcomes. Considering that BS, stretching of capabilities, and so on are commonplace in the startup world, the point isn't whether Holmes crossed the line (sh…
I think there is a pretty sharp line separating what Holmes tried, and what legitimate startups do. What she claimed had no basis in reality. It's Borat trying to patent a hoverboard, just like in Back to the Future, and telling the VC that he "needs to come up with the science" ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXuDhejxz_c ). Except that Holmes was worse, claiming that she had the science. And she insulated herself…
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#768It blows my mind that she was found guilty for defrauding investors, but not guilty for defrauding patients about their test results. Investors know that every dollar they put into a company could disappear, it's why startups get capital from investors and not bank loans. But a patient does not expect for their blood test results to be completely wrong. Her tests weren't giving false-negatives or false-positives, the…
It's not particularly surprising, if you assume that the jury was essentially looking for a specific, traceable line between representations from Elizabeth Holmes herself (and nobody else) and the subsequent payment as a necessary element of fraud. (Whether or not the jury was doing so could be guessed from reading the jury instructions, which I haven't done). Being found guilty of defrauding investors in that light…
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#769Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think it's just about biotech startups. I think the obvious distinction here is that her behavior put lives at risk fairly directly. Theranos was administering blood tests to a large number of people in a beta program. These tests were incomplete and inaccurate. Said tests were used to monitor the status/recurrence of cancers and other conditions like diabetes. If you similarly put people's lives or safety in…
They weren't also testing these people with approved methods? Who would sign up for that and how is that legal or ethical? Even if she hadn't been lying these people were gambling their lives against the success of her company.
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#770I more often than not had a hard time understanding what some well funded start-ups I had contact with are actually up to. From personal accounts of the people involved, the common modus operandi seemed to be "let the money stream not ebb and we will figure something out in the meanwhile" as supposed to "you finally do not have to be preoccupied about the finances and can start focusing on solving the problems at hand".
I wonder how efficient the system really is, purely in enabling indivduals to develop their ideas into some form of actualization and even if the "start-up" fails completely on its promise. And also how much room to appreciate the efforts made so one can at least activley learn from mistakes/misconceptions made.
Elon Musk is an interesting example as it illustrates that there seems to be a goldilock zone of over the top "predictions", a hypnotic dance with investors and the public: "How long for X taking place?" Aside from his PR, at least he delivers on some actualized forms of engineering feats.
As the pendulum swings from government funding to private funding, the high concentration of wealth ("resources to enable") on either side make it prone to that scale of fraud.