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Re: ASML reports fire at its Berlin factory

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Post by throwawaybutwhy »

jokteur wrote: post #220
CookiesNCream23 wrote: post #180

I work in the industry and have worked in a fab. Here is some insight. We are taught that fabs are not treated as factories but as hazardous chemical storage plants. On top of that, we work with high pressure and high power systems. Fires have accounted for the most damage to fabs over the years; however, this situation is different. The site is not a fab, it is a ASML manufacturing plant. This plant does not produce…

I am currently beginning a PhD in physics (mathematical modeling, simulation on HPC) in Switzerland, and I am afraid that after my PhD, I won't find a job that really pleases me. These last years, I came under the impression that you currently can only find ML driven software engineering jobs (I am exagerating of course), and having done quite a bit of ML and software engineering, I now know that I don't want my futu…

RUAG?

Re: ASML reports fire at its Berlin factory

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Post by jokteur »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #237
jokteur wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, I am already beginning my PhD at a top university. I would be more interested to hear about what kind of jobs are in the industry in Switzerland.

Sorry, I don't remember exactly which companies by name, otherwise I would have spelled them out for you, since I did this research 10 years ago when I was considering moving to study in Switzerland, so, I hope I cause you no offense, but I feel researching the job market is what you should have also done your due diligence on, before starting your PhD/studies ( "I wanna study X, but where can I work later and use X?…

No problems. You are right, it is always good to research the job market before beginning the studies. I was just asking out of curiosity, because the job descriptions at ASML really peaked my interested.

Re: ASML reports fire at its Berlin factory

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Post by MathCodeLove »

quartesixte wrote: post #198
MathCodeLove wrote: post #111

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You can choose to buy from companies who only operate domestically Why don't you? Why is it unethical to save a penny for a stockholder yet it isn't unethical for you to save a penny by buying foreign produced goods? Sure, there are many specific brands unavailable domestically, but you can find some variation of everything you need locally. Even if there are exceptions to that, I would bet you rarely choose to purch…

I work in manufacturing and even if any nation wanted to completely domesticate consumer goods, we’re still at the mercy of either raw materials being imported or industrial machines not being made domestically. At least, not the ones that produce the quality goods that we so demand. Tim Cook famously said that Apple can’t move manufacturing to the US because the US does not have the industrial engineers needed to ma…

I never said the products you buy domestically will be of the same quality or caliber as those afforded to you by an efficient global supply chain - just that it is an option if you feel strongly about this. You'll have to make some sacrifices here and there but hey, if you're not willing to sacrifice a little for your beliefs then you must not hold them too strongly.

Re: ASML reports fire at its Berlin factory

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Post by jokteur »

Youden wrote: post #238
jokteur wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am currently beginning a PhD in physics (mathematical modeling, simulation on HPC) in Switzerland, and I am afraid that after my PhD, I won't find a job that really pleases me. These last years, I came under the impression that you currently can only find ML driven software engineering jobs (I am exagerating of course), and having done quite a bit of ML and software engineering, I now know that I don't want my futu…

> Do you know by chance if there are similar companies (complex engineering, with physics, maths, chemistry, computer science, ...) that are located in Switzerland? I've only worked with their products and not a whole lot with the people but Sensirion [0] is very close to Zürich and is ranked one of the best employers in Switzerland while seemingly being at the intersection of the things it seems you're interested in…

Thanks for the tip.

Re: ASML reports fire at its Berlin factory

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Post by cshimmin »

orangepurple wrote: post #123
dogsgobork wrote: post #86

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For anyone interested in how terrible Chlorine trifluoride is, it's on perpetual HN favorite Derek Lowe's list of "Things I won't work with" https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/sand-won-t-save-yo...

Previous discussions: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1148425 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5546450 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29775910

I also thought that it would be the article about FOOF, but actually the GP linked to a different one about chlorine triflouride. Worth a read!

Re: ASML reports fire at its Berlin factory

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Post by collegeburner »

CookiesNCream23 wrote: post #180

I work in the industry and have worked in a fab. Here is some insight. We are taught that fabs are not treated as factories but as hazardous chemical storage plants. On top of that, we work with high pressure and high power systems. Fires have accounted for the most damage to fabs over the years; however, this situation is different. The site is not a fab, it is a ASML manufacturing plant. This plant does not produce…

This definitely doesn't match how I heard some software is done there: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18463181

Re: ASML reports fire at its Berlin factory

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Post by hypertele-Xii »

hda2 wrote: post #62

Like water, food, and electricity, electronics have become an integral part of life. Every single country that can afford to bootstrap their own semiconductor manufacturing infrastructure should be scrambling to do so. This infrastructure doesn't have to be cutting edge. Even 90s-era tech should be enough to cover a country's basic needs in case of a global collapse or shortage. It's insane for humanity to continue p…

> It's insane for humanity to continue putting their eggs in one or two baskets.

Kinda funny when you consider we literally put all our eggs in exactly two baskets, both on males and females.

Re: ASML reports fire at its Berlin factory

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Post by alexpetralia »

CookiesNCream23 wrote: post #180

I work in the industry and have worked in a fab. Here is some insight. We are taught that fabs are not treated as factories but as hazardous chemical storage plants. On top of that, we work with high pressure and high power systems. Fires have accounted for the most damage to fabs over the years; however, this situation is different. The site is not a fab, it is a ASML manufacturing plant. This plant does not produce…

For those interested, I very much recommend this brief primer on ASML: https://youtu.be/jJIO7aRXUCg

Re: ASML reports fire at its Berlin factory

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Post by hypertele-Xii »

KirillPanov wrote: post #229
the_duke wrote: post #128

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I have the exact opposite opinion. Mandatory trade relationsips and closely interconnected supply chains are an important factor in preventing larger wars.

That's Cold War thinking: "if goods cross borders, soldiers won't". The reality slowly dawning on us is that if goods cross borders, soliders don't have to .

Considering Russia is in the process of invading Ukraine, I for one as a Finn maintain my cold war thinking, thank you very much. The winter war of 1940 was 82 years ago. How many generations of humans is that, three? My dad's dad's dad literally lied in the snow, hungry and high on german combat drugs so as to not fall asleep nor care of the freezing cold, waiting for a hundred russians to march in on his position, and he survived with grenade shrapnel in his leg.

The cold war maybe felt cold on the other side of the globe. Was very much hot here. My country is barely older than peace is.

Re: ASML reports fire at its Berlin factory

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Post by pharke »

jhugo wrote: post #110
jeswin wrote: post #107

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Or at the very least, have the entire supply chain set up within democracies. With redundancy.

Then you have to start to define what a democracy is, or at least what kind of democracy you are happy with. The current approach (of companies having specific requirements for their supply chain regarding labour practices etc) seems better than that.

The UN already provides election monitoring services so we have a well defined set of criteria under which we consider elections to be free and fair.
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