On one hand, the victims of her scams wanted her guilty, on the other, I suspect that those who are trying to dismantle the judicial branch of government wanted her to be not guilty. Good to see the legal system is holding up.
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Re: Elizabeth Holmes found guilty
#622If she gets anything less than life in prison, it will effectively answer the question of "how many years of prison would you do for a billion dollars?". I'm guessing an absolute max of 5 in a minimum security white collar facility.
She didn’t personally clear or keep anything close to a billion dollars. It’s true that she was able to live a somewhat lavish, albeit clearly stressful, lifestyle for a while though…
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Did she kill anybody? I wasn't aware that a hospital full of children died because Theranos was doing different lab tests than they said they were. I really just can't find myself caring about some millionaires scamming some billionaires. VCs get robbed like this all the time. Especially the ones with more money than brains. And I'm also not going to lose any sleep if she gets 5 years instead of 100. This has been ki…
You should read bad blood. There are interviews with people who had disorders and theranos blood tests gave false negatives thanks to that, delaying treatment for a long while. I don’t know about everyone but it’s reallllly hard to find sympathy for somebody who plays fast and loose with peoples health like this. She wasn’t an arms manufacturer but I don’t really see the sympathy angle here (especially considering ho…
Oh, the dude's book. Maybe the jury should have read the dude's book. Then they wouldn't have acquitted her of all the charges related to end-user patients. Maybe because all of that was quite overblown anyway.
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Did you know they only ever got Al Capone on tax evasion? Would you draw a similar conclusion in that case, or maybe did the effort put into pinning Capone on tax evasion have more to do with how he was running a murderous criminal organization for many years?
Isn’t Al Capone’s tax evasion conviction usually mentioned as a bit of a joke? I don’t see how anyone can cite it as an example of the system working perfectly fine . Ignoring for a moment that this was in a very different era, to me, there are only two possible conclusions from this: (a) The conviction was legitimate. This means that if only he had been a bit more thorough about laundering his money, he’d have gotte…
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#626Earlier quoted context omitted.
> [She wasn’t] really being charged with [wire fraud with regard to] patients Unless the word "really" is doing some heavy lifting here, this is incorrect. There were multiple counts directly and specifically related to defrauding patients. These counts came back not guilty, but they were, in fact, charged, and customers testified in court in support of these charges.
The articles says "This case was specifically about what Holmes told Theranos investors, although her lies also impacted partners and patients" which I took as the patients claims were not part of this trial, but maybe they were?
I think I would try to have them as separate trials.
Re: Elizabeth Holmes found guilty
#627What's the takeaway from this other than "killing people by giving phony medical test results is just fine, but don't you dare anger the wealthy"?
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#628What's the takeaway from this other than "killing people by giving phony medical test results is just fine, but don't you dare anger the wealthy"?
Maybe "pragmatic prosecutors made pragmatic decisions instead of satisfying random internet commenters looking for perfect justice."
Maybe that still means there is larger issue in the system anyway?
Re: Elizabeth Holmes found guilty
#629What's the takeaway from this other than "killing people by giving phony medical test results is just fine, but don't you dare anger the wealthy"?
Maybe "pragmatic prosecutors made pragmatic decisions instead of satisfying random internet commenters looking for perfect justice."
Strawman. He's not advocating perfect justice. He raises awareness to something that I also found gut wrenching when reading the article: investors (super rich) mattered, commoners did not.
Calling that "pragmatic prosecutors made pragmatic decisions"... Well. You do you.
Re: Elizabeth Holmes found guilty
#630What's the takeaway from this other than "killing people by giving phony medical test results is just fine, but don't you dare anger the wealthy"?
That proving some things in court is easier than other things and by reducing down nuanced legal systems to "rich bad" doesn't help the situation any.
Despite this being true, it is important that people are prosecuted for the "all" the wrongs they did and not just the "easy" ones. It isn't much of a justice system if you can get away with "hard to prosecute" crimes.