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Poll: Which FAANG is the most likely to decline in the years ahead?

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Re: Poll: Which FAANG is the most likely to decline in the years ahead?

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Post by b9a2cab5 »

ModernMech wrote: post #593
b9a2cab5 wrote: post #575

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> Why don’t any other characters have to explain what makes them unique from the rest They do. Geralt has a huge back story that explains why he's ripped and has a bunch of scars and why every peasant is afraid of him. Yennefer has a huge back story that explains why she's beautiful. If they casted someone ugly as Yennefer then that backstory wouldn't exactly apply anymore would it? > I would say Black Panther is a s…

> Geralt has a huge back story that explains why he's ripped and has a bunch of scars and why every peasant is afraid of him. And is that strength relevant to the story, or is it apropos of nothing? Yennefer's beauty has no context in the story? Of course it does - these qualities bring these characters power that shapes the events as they unfold. Fringilla does not derive her power from her blackness because it's no…

> I'm actually going to bookmark this conversation as a discussion piece because there's a lot to unpack here, you've been very candid.

Funny, you've got the same attitude of condescending moral superiority as the demographics I mentioned too. You act as if you speak for all people of color (as a white person), who need to be defended by you, the savior. You probably consciously think you're just trying to help. Unfortunately you're not the first person of this type I've encountered on HN.

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Post by mgraczyk »

cptaj wrote: post #241
neogodless wrote: post #189

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What are Facebook products? And which ones are worthwhile? The only thing I could think of without cheating and using Google is the Oculus line. I'm not personally convinced there's a huge VR market, but there could be, and Facebook probably has the best product for this market. They aren't competing against the other megacorps listed in that particular market though, so I can't evaluate if they execute faster/better…

I bet he means like "Copy stories in instagram!" by "Products". I've heard a lot of social media devs talk about features as products. I'm guessing because that's how product managers see them in those orgs. I don't find it a very good definition. Implementing a feature is not a new product.

If Instagram stories were a company, it's revenues would put it in the top 700 of companies worldwide. That's a product.

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Post by ksec »

raydev wrote: post #233

I'm shocked that FB has so many votes here. FB may be getting slaughtered by the media, hated by both the left and the right, but the truth is no one is actually leaving FB. It's still the #1 place to find restaurants, buy/sell used items, neighborhood groups, etc etc etc. And if FB Proper were to ever fall behind, IG still has a lot of stamina left. I don't think it will happen any time soon, but I would like to see…

>I'm shocked that FB has so many votes here.

Nearly all pro-Facebook ( or more accurately described as non Facebook hostile ) opinion has been downvoted in the past five years. And they were less than 5% of the comments. They are so rare I could nearly count them with my fingers.

>It's still the #1 place to find restaurants, buy/sell used items, neighborhood groups, etc etc etc.

The demographics within HN tends to not use Facebook for those functions. At least there are very little evidence any comments, opinion or votes has shown they do. Not to mention it tends to be US and EUR specific.

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Post by ksec »

lbrandy wrote: post #62
ecshafer wrote: post #25

Facebook is currently ahead, but I wonder how much of that is perception. There is a lot of media about how Facebook is evil, but that is mostly from a pretty small circle of media and political people, that Facebook is naturally in opposition to. Facebook also owns instagram and whatsapp as well. But everyone over 30 I know uses Facebook, heavily. Instagram is also used very heavily. Amazon has threats from other E-…

FWIW, I joined HN 14 years ago (wow) and there's never been a time in those 14 years that HN wasn't convinced that facebook's demise was just around the corner.

Including my ex-account period I have been reading HN for 12 years now, while I agree Facebook has always been unpopular on HN. It was since may be 2015 it became extremely one sided. Even the very rare few who speak up with Facebook financial and user growth are all gone. ( Arguably speaking lots of things on HN have become one sided )

There is this phenomenon I witness time and time again, people confuse what they wish to happen; the decline or death of Facebook with any real facts.

It is like saying Apple is doomed for 10 years and yet Apple is now a 3 trillion company.

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Post by Youden »

mastazi wrote: post #422
Youden wrote: post #298

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> Blu-ray quality is better than streaming in some cases. The wording here sounded a bit off to me here; I read it as "usually Blu-ray quality is worse or the same as streaming quality but sometimes it's better" while I think what you probably meant (and would make a lot more sense) was "usually streaming is just as good as Blu-ray but sometimes the streaming quality is bad and a Blu-ray is better". Is the latter wha…

Blu Ray quality is always better than streaming, by an order of magnitude. Blu Ray 4k has a bitrate of between 92 and 144Mb/s[1], Netflix bitrate at 4K is around 16Mb/s[2] - the resolution is the same but online streaming platforms will need to use loads of compression or most of their user base would not have a fast enough connection to watch video in 4K. Full HD 1080p bitrates are a similar story, Blu Ray is much h…

You're right of course that given the same resolution, a Blu-ray will have a higher bitrate but to elaborate on what I was saying:

- The perceived streaming quality may match Blu-ray because the bitrate is high enough that humans can't tell the difference anymore. This is especially likely to be the case is the content isn't challenging.

- The perceived quality may be higher than Blu-Ray because 4K is available for streaming but not as a Blu-Ray release. So the comparison isn't 1080p streaming vs. 1080p Blu-ray but 4K streaming vs. 1080p Blu-ray. If you plot perceived quality vs. bitrate against each other for multiple resolutions, you usually find that it makes sense to increase resolution at lower bitrates than you might expect. I'd honestly expect that 16Mb/s 4K would look better to viewers than 40Mb/s 1080p. Plus, 4K is usually encoded using a more modern and efficient codec than the ancient ones we use for 1080p Blu-ray.

But note that I'm talking about perceived quality here. Higher bitrates might lead to higher computed quality metrics like PSNR and SSIM but past a point, those metrics no longer have any correlation to human perception and that point is lower than you might think.

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Post by ce4 »

PHGamer wrote: post #252
ce4 wrote: post #99

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Perfectly fits this 10 years old comic classic from Matthew Inman: https://www.theoatmeal.com/comics/game_of_thrones

that comic is 10 years old? damn im getting old. lol. i remember that one. hilarious then , hilarious now.

I wasnt sure either until I looked it up. There's a funny ad on the torrent site in the comic about winning an iPad 3, which was sold in 2012 :-)

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Post by mastazi »

Youden wrote: post #605
mastazi wrote: post #422

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Blu Ray quality is always better than streaming, by an order of magnitude. Blu Ray 4k has a bitrate of between 92 and 144Mb/s[1], Netflix bitrate at 4K is around 16Mb/s[2] - the resolution is the same but online streaming platforms will need to use loads of compression or most of their user base would not have a fast enough connection to watch video in 4K. Full HD 1080p bitrates are a similar story, Blu Ray is much h…

You're right of course that given the same resolution, a Blu-ray will have a higher bitrate but to elaborate on what I was saying: - The perceived streaming quality may match Blu-ray because the bitrate is high enough that humans can't tell the difference anymore. This is especially likely to be the case is the content isn't challenging. - The perceived quality may be higher than Blu-Ray because 4K is available for s…

I get your point, just to play devil's advocate though: up until a few years ago, there was an often repeated argument that "the human eye can't see more than 30fps" (it was used to justify the fact that many console games were capped at 30fps back then)... Today, many gamers use a 144hz monitor and would never go back to a lower refresh rate.

I wonder if the same story will happen with regards to lossy video compression, I mean perhaps, once our tech will be so much better that we will be able to use lossless formats for video, people will look back at the formats we have today and think that they look bad.

Remember VHS? I used to think they looked alright back then :-)

I think that the lower adoption of Blu Ray vs. streaming is purely due to convenience, not quality. Most people don't want to deal with physical media. In the same way that uncompressed audio is better than Spotify and similar services, yet almost no one buys audio CDs any more.

In Audio, there are now services that let you download uncompressed and/or lossless audio (Bandcamp, Beatport etc.), they are not as mainstream as Spotify but they are moderately successful and have their place in the market.

I wonder if the same thing could happen for movies: offering higher quality downloadable movies, without the physical medium. Perhaps cinephiles could be interested. Maybe it will happen when average bandwidth, at least in the developed world, approaches the equivalent of a 4K Blu Ray bitrate: no one wants to wait for a long download to end, people want just-in-time streaming.

(Note: Blu Ray, unlike Audio CD, is not lossless, it's just that it's got much less compression than the typical streaming services).

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Post by perryizgr8 »

wombat-man wrote: post #86
sgt wrote: post #39

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Yeah and have you noticed how the industry doesn't really want you to watch old stuff? Obviously they want to keep peddling new movies and series, so it does make sense, but I think it should be easier to find old classic movies. I often have to resort to torrents for this reason alone.

I think NBC would actually love it if you would please pay every month to watch the office over and over.

Then why did they remove it from Netflix?

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Post by perryizgr8 »

dexterdog wrote: post #499
35fbe7d3d5b9 wrote: post #425

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I'm not sure who downvoted you, but I cannot agree more. For giggles, I just went ahead and priced this out: One-time costs: * Plex Pass: $80 * NZB indexer access: $10 (for 2 or 3) Ongoing monthly costs: * File server (three-year deprecation): $55 * IPTV: $15 * Unlimited Usenet account: $3 This took an afternoon of setup, but has just worked since. Heck, the other day I discovered a new season of a show had apparentl…

Drop the plex cost and use jellyfin

This looks amazing. I have got to try it. Hopefully it works as seamlessly as Plex does.

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Post by mr_toad »

devmunchies wrote: post #351
cogman10 wrote: post #185

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Agreed. What made netflix successful initially was their access to IP. That's going away fast as every IP producer is pushing for their own paid streaming service (which sucks, btw). With big heavyweights like Disney that own a huge percentage of content having their own services, netflix is really going to struggle being anything more than niche media providers (anime) and their own inhouse media. If they are lucky,…

I'm surprised Netflix hasn't been buying IP owners or aggressively expanding into other entertainment channels. Imagine if they straight up acquired Nintendo (or a large part of it), the amount of movies + series they could produce (zelda series like the witcher, donkey kong animated series for kids, metroid prime series for adults, star fox, etc)

> I'm surprised Netflix hasn't been buying IP owners

I imagine they had to pay for the IP for The Witcher and Altered Carbon.

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