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Re: Search engines and SEO spam

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Why’s he not building it now, then? He has the means.

Building costs more than money.

True. I’m wondering though if he hasn’t given up on the idea. It’s been ten years. Maybe he doesn’t believe anymore that a human could do better, even if given 15 minutes of time?

If such a demand exists, should we not be seeing an active “secondary marketplace” for people offering to do 15-minute human meta search & research tasks?

Re: Search engines and SEO spam

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> I tried creating a search engine for recipes. It works well and people like it, but the struggle is no one remembers that it exists and Google is just their default for search. Link please

https://garlictoum.com/

Just an idea but what about making it easier for folks to remember to use you search somehow‽

I like and use Duck Duck Go‘s !bangs [1] all the time, maybe try to add your site with a rememberable name.. may I suggest !garlic ?

[1] - https://duckduckgo.com/bang [2] - https://duckduckgo.com/newbang

Re: Search engines and SEO spam

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> Why not try writing a search engine specifically for some category dominated by SEO spam? Back in the olden days, there were lots of organizations that collated high quality content from the best writers. They nurtured expert writers and paid them well. They fact-checked the content and employed diligent editors and proofreaders so it was accurate and well-written. Over the years, they'd build a reputation for reli…

I think you're unfairly putting blame on Silicon Valley. Publishers were only able to produce high-quality content because, with no conversion metrics, advertisers were willing to overpay for placement. Tech undermined publishers' revenue, but what it revealed was that people don't actually want high-quality journalism, they want entertainment, and they're definitely not going to pay a premium for it. This was hidden…

>Publishers were only able to produce high-quality content because, with no conversion metrics, advertisers were willing to overpay for placement.

This implies that big budget advertisers (the CPGs, like Coke and P&G), are buying Google/FB because they have better conversion metrics. That isn't true today; only SMBs and gaming companies care about conversion metrics. There are interns in LA/NY probably collectively spending millions on FB for P&G and only reporting the number of likes back to their bosses. Google and FB has never meaningfully delivered on conversions past anything like app downloads.

Tech undermined publisher's revenue because the internet cratered distribution costs. Advertising revenues for big media crashed because the eyeballs moved away, not because it was any less efficient.

Re: Search engines and SEO spam

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In 2013 I elaborated about this topic: http://blog.databigbang.com/letters-from-the-future-challeng... I would add that in 2021 we can easily do Natural Language Understading (NLU) and Natural Language Generation (NLG) and can build zillions of web pages that don't follow the original page ranking concept of Google. Probably important sites share less low rank pages and there are many more link rings and clusters. More decentralized blogs seems a thing of the past (expecting to be rebooted in the future).

Re: Search engines and SEO spam

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> I tried creating a search engine for recipes. It works well and people like it, but the struggle is no one remembers that it exists and Google is just their default for search. Link please

https://garlictoum.com/

Always nice to see other sites using Svelte!

Re: Search engines and SEO spam

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Surely there is just a different algo that could bring about better communities?

Different, but not better. The incentives to game the algo remain. People adapt to the environment.

That's why mechanism design [1] exists as a field of study. The whole idea of that field is to provide the proper incentives to steer the participants towards your objective. Yes, considering they will try to "game" the system however they can.

I'm pretty sure google could do strictly better (i.e.: better in all reasonable accounts) than they do now if they focused on the users' experience instead of revenue for a couple terms.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanism_design

Re: Search engines and SEO spam

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https://garlictoum.com/

Just an idea but what about making it easier for folks to remember to use you search somehow‽ I like and use Duck Duck Go‘s !bangs [1] all the time, maybe try to add your site with a rememberable name.. may I suggest !garlic ? [1] - https://duckduckgo.com/bang [2] - https://duckduckgo.com/newbang

Just submitted it, let's see what happens!

Re: Search engines and SEO spam

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Building costs more than money.

True. I’m wondering though if he hasn’t given up on the idea. It’s been ten years. Maybe he doesn’t believe anymore that a human could do better, even if given 15 minutes of time? If such a demand exists, should we not be seeing an active “secondary marketplace” for people offering to do 15-minute human meta search & research tasks?

I said "wanted it" not "wanted to build/finance it." Doubt he's given up wanting it.

A human can always do better: take Google's results, then remove SEO spam/duplicates, extract more relevant snippets, combine results from multiple nearby queries, etc.

Demand exists, but someone has to build it. And it's unclear how big the market is.

Re: Search engines and SEO spam

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What I am looking for is control over the results. Personalized blacklists and lists of sites to be (de)prioritized and also the ability to subscribe to community curated versions of the same.

And to be clear I want to be able to control these myself, not algorithm trying to guess my preferences. No guessing, just do what I tell you to.

Multiple search profiles with different priorities would be nice too.

I would like the search algorithm to be transparent, I should be able to tell why I got a certain result and how I can avoid such results in the future.

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