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Speaking Freely: Why I resigned from the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation

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Re: Speaking Freely: Why I resigned from the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation

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Post by NikolaeVarius »

kbenson wrote: post #159
NikolaeVarius wrote: post #120

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I literally dont give a shit what you call me. People who hem and haw about getting pronouns wrong blow my mind of how weird this has all become

They hem and haw because some people care a lot and make a big deal if you get it wrong and it can have social consequences depending on where you live/work, etc, and if you repeatedly ignore what other people want to be called it can be seen as an act of aggression. In the current climate, people want to get it right for other people because either they don't want to be an asshole, they believe it's important, they'…

What else about myself do i have to actively advertise so that people are not afraid of talking to me.

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Post by lazyasciiart »

SavantIdiot wrote: post #147
CapitalistCartr wrote: post #30

Except at political groups to which I belong, I am almost always the left-most person in the room. The Lefts greatest weakness is an enthusiasm for splintering over small matters of doctrine. Identity politics, tribalism over principle, virtue signaling, whatever fad this is, it's deeply hurting progress.

> an enthusiasm for splintering over small matters of doctrine. Identity politics, tribalism over principle, virtue signaling, whatever fad this is, I question your assertion that you are "leftist" when you describe progressive thought in dismissive, inflammatory, right-wing terms.

They called themselves 'left-most in the room', not 'leftist'.

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Post by foobarian »

throwawayboise wrote: post #190
foobarian wrote: post #166

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In North America at least, I think this century will be the first time it has really run out of "unoccupied" land to grow into. Other parts of the world have been in this steady state for many centuries; it remains to be seen how the equilibrium will manifest here and where it will lead.

In terms of sovereign territory, I guess you're right, but if you want to go live somewhere with no neighbors, there are plenty of places in America and Canada where you can do that.

Right, sovereign territory. Could you imagine the Homestead Act happening today? I am floored by how crazy that time period was.

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Post by NikolaeVarius »

space_fountain wrote: post #162
NikolaeVarius wrote: post #120

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I literally dont give a shit what you call me. People who hem and haw about getting pronouns wrong blow my mind of how weird this has all become

Do you actually not give a shit or do people just tend to properly guess what you'd want to be called? Pronouns are part of how we communicate gender and many people do get bothered when others perceive them differently than how they perceive themselves

I dont give a shit. It is useless information.

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Post by throwaway4aday »

telesilla wrote: post #70
pyuser583 wrote: post #16

“The last 18 months” coincides perfectly with start of the BLM protests. I’ve been involved with an arts-based non-profit for a long time. They do very specific type of older art. They produce it, exhibit it, encourage others to produce it, etc. The art form is Eurocentric, with a political history that contains some small instances racism, and vast oceans of mainstream liberalism. Every since BLM protests happened (…

Suggest to them that they talk about exactly what you are saying here. Say that it's difficult. That we are figuring it out. Put together exhibitions that talk about it. That's a hell of a lot better than shutting down communication. Be inclusive. Ask for help from other galleries who have better representation. Maybe they can do an exchange. Identify what there is to be afraid of - it's the necessary step to moving…

They are afraid of online mobs and local activists looking for a target. That's what everyone is afraid of when it comes to this foolish moment in history. If it was simply a matter of being more inclusive there'd be nothing to worry about. Instead, everyone's trying to cover their ass and not stick out so they don't become the next takedown. The funny thing is if you just ignore social media, none of this has any direct consequence. The only real world consequences are from someone higher up the chain getting spooked and trying to appease the mob by throwing you under the bus. It's like a prisoner's dilemma writ large. The consequences of this will be interesting, it already looks like a lot of people are just deciding to self-sort into groups that won't defect. Others, like the author of the article, are going independent so they don't have to worry about their employer or coworkers defecting.

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Post by space_fountain »

tristan957 wrote: post #189
dan_pixelflow wrote: post #142

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This weird hatred of not sharing pronouns is harmful - it's.. a few characters next to your name to help people talk to you and to help people who use different pronouns to what society has given them. Please stop acting all high-and-mighty over them - it's always with good intent.

I am a man. My pronouns on my LinkedIn profile do nothing other than to appease a fringe part of society who thinks being incorrectly referred to by a different pronoun is an attack on their character. I don't feel the need to give in to these people. Someone who would repeatedly refer to you by the wrong pronouns doesn't care that your pronouns are on your profile. It is a solution looking for a problem.

Well sometimes it can be tough to know. Is that a trans man showing a bit an effeminate side sometimes or a woman? Is that person trying to look androgynous or masculine or is it just what they like to wear?

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Post by wussboy »

david38 wrote: post #130
CapitalistCartr wrote: post #30

Except at political groups to which I belong, I am almost always the left-most person in the room. The Lefts greatest weakness is an enthusiasm for splintering over small matters of doctrine. Identity politics, tribalism over principle, virtue signaling, whatever fad this is, it's deeply hurting progress.

Broadly speaking, the left likes to go come up with new ways of doing things, the right likes to implement the "tried and true". Almost by definition, this means the left is always trying many things (always need the next new thing) and the right is consolidating on what they perceive to be the best of the tried and true.

The antipathy between “try something new” and “stick with what works” is so frustrating because they so clearly go hand in hand. “If the Left wing or the Right wing ever got control of this country, it would fly around in circles.”

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Post by citilife »

badRNG wrote: post #22

I'm not sure these sorts of articles provide much value on HN. By "these sorts of articles", I mean the ones that have claimed that "diversity efforts have gone too far this time ." Regardless of your support or opposition to diversity, I think one would agree that these rapidly turn into unproductive, highly divisive comment sections that are out of place with the rest of HN.

I think part of the challenge is that the "hacker" ethic has always been very libertarian. Open dialog about issues within corporations and industry has always been a thing here, until relatively recently.

I actually don't think it is that out of place on HN, many the top posts on Hacker News are related to politics (Joe Biden vowing different direction, Brexit, even youtube-dl facing a DMCA are all politics)

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

I personally think it's rather one sided, but it's clearly important to many here.

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Post by swayvil »

dang wrote: post #19
therein wrote: post #7

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Please keep this sort of shallow, menacing flamebait off HN. It leads nowhere interesting. We want thoughtful, curious conversation instead. Among other things, that means conversation where people listen to each other across differences . https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html p.s. We ban accounts that post slurs, including veiled ones.

Check out all the murdered replies.

Can the hivemind be trusted with this power?

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Post by colpabar »

badRNG wrote: post #92
finite_jest wrote: post #58

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From HN guidelines ( https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html ): > Please don't complain that a submission is inappropriate. If a story is spam or off-topic, flag it.

Maybe I didn't word it well enough, but I intend to comment on a broad category of discussion that I don't think is necessarily inappropriate according to the guidelines, but tends to produce unproductive, hostile conversations. I understand that anti-diversity blogs often gain a lot of traction with a particular subset of HN readers, but it consistently winds up producing flame wars and can make HN a less friendly p…

> anti-diversity blogs

You keep using this phrase and I think it's disingenuous at best. Sure, there are probably people here who genuinely don't want to be around people who don't look like themselves. But I'd be willing to bet that the overwhelming majority of people who you would describe as "anti-diversity" are really just sick of stuff like this, from the article.

> To work at the CBC now is to accept the idea that race is the most significant thing about a person, and that some races are more relevant to the public conversation than others. It is, in my newsroom, to fill out racial profile forms for every guest you book; to actively book more people of some races and less of others.

Even if you dismiss that as hyperbole (which it is), a lot of people are wondering why so many of our politicians/institutions focus so much on dividing up the populace by race.

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