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Speaking Freely: Why I resigned from the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation

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Re: Speaking Freely: Why I resigned from the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation

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Post by Ensorceled »

adamc wrote: post #18

I am curious what Canadians think of this argument. Does it seem true? It's hard for me, a USA resident who doesn't follow the CBC, to really evaluate.

I regularly consume news and other content from the CBC (radio and news app). I haven't noticed a "hard left" turn at all. The CBC has ALWAYS interviewed pretty progressively.

I'm assuming what has happened is that, since MeToo/BLM/Trans issues and protests have become front and centre, people are talking about that more. But really, COVID is dominating the airways at the CBC too.

I can't speak for internal newsroom politics of course.

Another comment made the observation that the CBC is really the last news source that is left of centre-right with all of our other traditional media sources centre-right and slowly drifting right. Our most popular "left" newspaper, The Toronto Star, was usually taking centrist position with pro-business leanings, but it's been moving right too.

Full disclosure, I get a most of my news from the Economist or the CBC.

Re: Speaking Freely: Why I resigned from the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation

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Post by badRNG »

finite_jest wrote: post #58
badRNG wrote: post #22

I'm not sure these sorts of articles provide much value on HN. By "these sorts of articles", I mean the ones that have claimed that "diversity efforts have gone too far this time ." Regardless of your support or opposition to diversity, I think one would agree that these rapidly turn into unproductive, highly divisive comment sections that are out of place with the rest of HN.

From HN guidelines ( https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html ): > Please don't complain that a submission is inappropriate. If a story is spam or off-topic, flag it.

Maybe I didn't word it well enough, but I intend to comment on a broad category of discussion that I don't think is necessarily inappropriate according to the guidelines, but tends to produce unproductive, hostile conversations. I understand that anti-diversity blogs often gain a lot of traction with a particular subset of HN readers, but it consistently winds up producing flame wars and can make HN a less friendly place.

Re: Speaking Freely: Why I resigned from the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation

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Post by bonestamp2 »

NikolaeVarius wrote: post #41
beebmam wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a strict egalitarian and have been doing exactly this, and always encourage others to do exactly this. I refuse to state my gender, race, class, health status, sexuality, or any other qualifier that could categorize me into being discriminated against or in favor of. Let my actions speak to the quality of my character. edit: Not sure why this thread has gone deep into a discussion about pronouns. I don't identify…

At a previous job HR directly contacted me and told me to put my pronouns on my profile. I said sure and proceeded to ignore it. Fuck that shit

Which profile.. some internal org chart or a public platform like linkedin?

Re: Speaking Freely: Why I resigned from the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation

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Post by CapitalistCartr »

wussboy wrote: post #49
CapitalistCartr wrote: post #30

Except at political groups to which I belong, I am almost always the left-most person in the room. The Lefts greatest weakness is an enthusiasm for splintering over small matters of doctrine. Identity politics, tribalism over principle, virtue signaling, whatever fad this is, it's deeply hurting progress.

I suspect you’re right. My personal solution to this problem, having once run a left-leaning organization that was taken over by all the things you mention, is to learn more towards the centre. I’m curious if you’ve considered the same, especially because you describe yourself as “the left-most person in the room”?

In the United States the Overton Window is so far right even the Democratic Party is center-right. In a Scandinavian Country I'd be a fairly moderate, conservative social democrat. Here, if people knew my thoughts, I'd be seen as a Wild-Eyed Radical. But given the politics in my country, I've given up compromise and actually moved further Left. And more militant, less quiet.

Luckily, the organization I'm currently involved with (the SRA), while hilariously disorganized, is firmly Left.

Re: Speaking Freely: Why I resigned from the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation

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Post by [deleted] »

badRNG wrote: post #78
CoastalCoder wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I 99% agree with you. One small counterpoint: Employers enjoy a bully pulpit on these issues. Employees with legitimate concerns about their employers' stances / policies sometimes can't even discuss them without the risk of losing their livelihood. This can create a situation where individuals perceive that "the whole world" is telling them they're wrong, and are bad people for being wrong in this way. HN's anonymou…

>One small counterpoint: Employers enjoy a bully pulpit on these issues. Employees with legitimate concerns about their employers' stances / policies sometimes can't even discuss them without the risk of losing their livelihood. There are endless platforms that are better suited for these discussions: Gab, 4chan, and Ruqqus to name a few. "HN's anonymous-yet-respectful forum" is best preserved by not hosting these ty…

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Re: Speaking Freely: Why I resigned from the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation

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Post by shadowgovt »

john_moscow wrote: post #60
badRNG wrote: post #22

I'm not sure these sorts of articles provide much value on HN. By "these sorts of articles", I mean the ones that have claimed that "diversity efforts have gone too far this time ." Regardless of your support or opposition to diversity, I think one would agree that these rapidly turn into unproductive, highly divisive comment sections that are out of place with the rest of HN.

I would argue that the article highlights the biggest problem of the West. It used to be a society of strong independent and happy individuals, capitalizing on their strengths and trading with each other in search of prosperity. We traded it in for a steady paycheck in exchange for mindlessly fulfilling standardized corporate jobs, and are now surprised that the human ambition got redirected from finding ways to crea…

Division isn't stable but it often precedes change. The status quo hasn't served everyone, and the first part of improving a status quo is to make the case it cannot stand. When one does, division occurs.

Re: Speaking Freely: Why I resigned from the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation

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Post by tgv »

CapitalistCartr wrote: post #30

Except at political groups to which I belong, I am almost always the left-most person in the room. The Lefts greatest weakness is an enthusiasm for splintering over small matters of doctrine. Identity politics, tribalism over principle, virtue signaling, whatever fad this is, it's deeply hurting progress.

The right and the religious are also known to splinter over small differences. I see it as a trait of fanaticism, and an indication of tendency towards extremism.

Re: Speaking Freely: Why I resigned from the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation

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Post by finite_jest »

badRNG wrote: post #78
CoastalCoder wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I 99% agree with you. One small counterpoint: Employers enjoy a bully pulpit on these issues. Employees with legitimate concerns about their employers' stances / policies sometimes can't even discuss them without the risk of losing their livelihood. This can create a situation where individuals perceive that "the whole world" is telling them they're wrong, and are bad people for being wrong in this way. HN's anonymou…

>One small counterpoint: Employers enjoy a bully pulpit on these issues. Employees with legitimate concerns about their employers' stances / policies sometimes can't even discuss them without the risk of losing their livelihood. There are endless platforms that are better suited for these discussions: Gab, 4chan, and Ruqqus to name a few. "HN's anonymous-yet-respectful forum" is best preserved by not hosting these ty…

Right. To be frank, it really seems you are suggesting people who disagree with you should be marginalized to a few corners of the internet suffering from "the coven of the witches" problem.

And for the record, Ruqqus was shut down [1], so it really doesn't even exist.

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28799199

Re: Speaking Freely: Why I resigned from the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation

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Post by evv555 »

CoastalCoder wrote: post #82
badRNG wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>One small counterpoint: Employers enjoy a bully pulpit on these issues. Employees with legitimate concerns about their employers' stances / policies sometimes can't even discuss them without the risk of losing their livelihood. There are endless platforms that are better suited for these discussions: Gab, 4chan, and Ruqqus to name a few. "HN's anonymous-yet-respectful forum" is best preserved by not hosting these ty…

Part of my point was that HN is unusually good at keeping discussions civil, which I view as a requirement for productive discussion. If you know of another forum that has this quality, I'd be grateful for a link. There are large swathes of the Internet I'm ignorant about.

https://www.fairforall.org has a quality community. That said I think this a relevant topic for hn on many levels and I don't find the conversations repetitive. If OP doesn't think so maybe they're not the target demographic for hn.

Re: Speaking Freely: Why I resigned from the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation

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Post by generalpf »

monkeybutton wrote: post #28

I wonder where she will go after publishing her book. Postmedia? Bell media? Staying independent? The news landscape in Canada is rather limited and still consolidating. Think what you may about the CBC and its biases, its nothing compared to the National Post where the owner, Conrad Black, airs his crappy opinions.

Rebel Media.
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