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Our Vacation Policy: Take Some

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Re: Our Vacation Policy: Take Some

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The problem I have with systems like this is that I've worked at a company that says this, but it can get dicey. To their credit they really did mean take vacation when you want to, but to them, what that meant was, feel free to take a week or two if you want, or a random day if it pukes on the hill. The problem is that my wife and I save our vacation, she's a teacher, and take 2 months every other year in Europe. Wi…

That's too bad.

My employer has "normal" vacation policies (though we accrue faster than most other employers), but most managers (including mine) won't blink if you ask for four weeks at a time. The CEO typically leaves the country for at least four weeks a year (as well as taking other holidays throughout the year), and my direct manager was gone for five weeks, with no contact, this year. I was out of the office for six weeks as well, though I did work remotely for about six days and spent four days at our west coast dev office (where my manager is stationed).

Another person mentioned golden handcuffs--I agree. There are some things that bug me about the way the company works, but when I look at what the company offers me, I'm more likely to either look past those things, or work to fix them.

Re: Our Vacation Policy: Take Some

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After the rogue trader incident at SocGen, the investment bank I was working for required people to take a week of vacation at a time (HR would actually verify compliance). Employees would have to declare in advance that they were planning a mandatory vacation so IT could suspend their remote logins and disable their card access to the building.

AFAIK, all the investment banks (in the US atleast) have a mandatory annual two-week vacation policy for all front-office (traders/sales etc.) employees. Furthermore, you are supposed to be totally switched off during those two weeks (no working via email etc.), the idea being that your colleagues get to see all your work to reduce the chances of you hiding something like the rogue trader at SocGen or Barings.

Re: Our Vacation Policy: Take Some

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For policies like this, your company culture and the examples leadership sets are going to dictate exactly how something like this, or anything else not explicit, is followed.

If leadership often takes vacation and doesn't do more than basic email checking, if that, then employees will feel comfortable doing the same and enjoy this policy over your standard "you accumulate 5 hours of PTO per pay period."

If leadership rarely takes vacation and when they do they're basically working full-time anyway, then employees will be frustrated because they'll feel they have to emulate the same.

And as I said, this goes for everything. I was briefly at a startup where the CEO would be in the office from 11am to 8pm and it drove me crazy. Every time I left work I would wonder if he thought I was 'slacking off,' because he wasn't in early enough to see when I got in, just that I always left before him. Some engineers just emulated his hours, but given my various other life commitments, that was impossible. There's a reason why "go home on time" is in a lot of CEO advice books.

Re: Our Vacation Policy: Take Some

#24
Healthy quantities of vacation time is one of the reasons I'm still in public education after 15 years.

Teaching in a public school isn't the easiest job in the world (nor the hardest, probably), and not everyone has the personality for it, but I really believe that having a lot of time off contributes to my mental / emotional / physical health and helps me to be an excellent teacher when I am working.

In my district, we get one week off around Thanksgiving, two weeks around Christmas, one week around Spring Break, and ten weeks off in the summer. Plus most of the state and national holidays.

I know people often suggest that the U.S. should move to a year-round school year, but I'm not sure the ills in public education would be solved by more days in the classroom.

Re: Our Vacation Policy: Take Some

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post #23

For policies like this, your company culture and the examples leadership sets are going to dictate exactly how something like this, or anything else not explicit, is followed. If leadership often takes vacation and doesn't do more than basic email checking, if that, then employees will feel comfortable doing the same and enjoy this policy over your standard "you accumulate 5 hours of PTO per pay period." If leadershi…

Nice one. FWIW, on most days I work from 9:15am to 6:15pm. I do check email before and after as well, and sometimes do actual work after dinner to sync up with our US peeps (I live in Italy).

I took two weeks of almost zero-work in August, and take a few days off here and there for travelling/conferences as well.

Re: Our Vacation Policy: Take Some

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post #24

Healthy quantities of vacation time is one of the reasons I'm still in public education after 15 years. Teaching in a public school isn't the easiest job in the world (nor the hardest, probably), and not everyone has the personality for it, but I really believe that having a lot of time off contributes to my mental / emotional / physical health and helps me to be an excellent teacher when I am working. In my district…

I thought that the year-round model wasn't to increase the days in the classroom so much as get rid of the three-month gap(replacing it with several shorter ones) because students tend to lose so much knowledge during summer vacation.

Re: Our Vacation Policy: Take Some

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"We don't have deadlines"

What? How is this even possible? Even if one doesn't set internal deadlines, I can't imagine avoiding integration commitments with any number of third parties, whether they be strategic partners, clients/customers, api/feed integrators, etc.

Re: Our Vacation Policy: Take Some

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post #16

I would much prefer a generous but explicit vacation allowance. I feel that with the "take some!" vacation policy social pressure would prevent some from taking as much as they really want to. It's going to boil down to everyone implicitly deciding what's a fair amount and that will become the unwritten rule. I'd rather everyone just decide what's a fair amount and write it down. That being said, a fair amount is def…

It's one of the things that's always stunned me about the US - the 10 days vacation a year being a relatively common thing.

European law states a minimum of 20 days (which can include public holidays though often / usually won't). In the UK where I work 20 - 25 days plus 8 or 9 days public holiday is the norm, and 28 - 30 days plus public holidays not unheard of.

I seriously don't understand how people don't just go mad on so little.

Re: Our Vacation Policy: Take Some

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post #27

"We don't have deadlines" What? How is this even possible? Even if one doesn't set internal deadlines, I can't imagine avoiding integration commitments with any number of third parties, whether they be strategic partners, clients/customers, api/feed integrators, etc.

We're lucky that we're very self-contained (little product), and when things break we're usually able to fix them quickly (again, small team and little product). :)

Re: Our Vacation Policy: Take Some

#30

After the rogue trader incident at SocGen, the investment bank I was working for required people to take a week of vacation at a time (HR would actually verify compliance). Employees would have to declare in advance that they were planning a mandatory vacation so IT could suspend their remote logins and disable their card access to the building.

In my country you normally get 28 days of vacations of which at least two weeks must be consecutive — that's by law.
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