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Ryanair is not exactly recruiting from USNavy
The UK has aircraft carriers too.
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I just looked up a random video of someone testing FSD 10.8 and in the first few minutes, it failed to signal before changing lanes and it almost caused an accident. All the while the driver is saying how good it is and how comfortable he is.. The car drives not smoothly at all and does random braking when around pedestrians. The car also features a yoke instead of a wheel. Which makes holding the yoke while autopilo…
So my point exactly… it’s not catastrophic… it’s just shitty. “Nearly accident” is the same as “not an accident” and definitely not: catastrophic .
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So my point exactly… it’s not catastrophic… it’s just shitty. “Nearly accident” is the same as “not an accident” and definitely not: catastrophic .
Funny how the discussion of a serious system failure in aviation leads to a comment about how "it's just shitty" in a car.
Just like bumping into someone while walking is way less serious than bumping into another car while driving.
I wonder if a contributing factor is that they have local noobs flying. I know quite a few very highly experienced pilots (15+yrs at Emirates) were sent home due to the pandemic. The only pilots in the middle east with absolute job security are the locals, and they get away with shit that would see any expat fired on the spot. You can hear stories about this from all the airlines in the region... Emirates, Qatar, Oma…
> local noobs What's that supposed to mean? UAE doesn't have a high local population to begin with. Majority of people living there are expats. And among that low population only a few choose to become pilots. You know, from the rest of the world American pilots flying in America also look like "local noobs". Let's wait until the relevant authorities release their final report. Maybe those particular pilots are quest…
I can't speak to other cases you've seen.
> "the noobs over the don't know what they're doing".
I've heard from 3 different pilots from three different ME airlines, that the locals are untouchable, and get away with all sorts of bullshit that expats would get fired in an instant for.
There are two or three pilots in every cockpit. If two or three pilots miss something that checklists should have picked up, that suggests it's not the individuals, but the airline and it's processes that are at fault.
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I just looked up a random video of someone testing FSD 10.8 and in the first few minutes, it failed to signal before changing lanes and it almost caused an accident. All the while the driver is saying how good it is and how comfortable he is.. The car drives not smoothly at all and does random braking when around pedestrians. The car also features a yoke instead of a wheel. Which makes holding the yoke while autopilo…
So my point exactly… it’s not catastrophic… it’s just shitty. “Nearly accident” is the same as “not an accident” and definitely not: catastrophic .
This is because drivers are giving 100% attention to monitoring the car in these scenarios. So again, this means the tool is useless (right now it is), or if the driver stops paying attention and becomes an unfocused passenger (the actual point of self-driving) then the tool becomes absurdly deadly.
Everywhere along this spectrum, as attention declines, catastrophic risk goes up. Self driving is vapor ware at best, a scandal at worst. It's not going to end well.
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Funny how the discussion of a serious system failure in aviation leads to a comment about how "it's just shitty" in a car.
Given one happens at ~50km/h at 0 altitude vs ~400km/h at 30,000ft... makes sense. Just like bumping into someone while walking is way less serious than bumping into another car while driving.
Is crashing your car at 50km/h not potentially deadly or dangerous? Of course it is. So, what are you talking about?
When planes typically fly in the air, how many other planes are nearby? 0
When cars drive on the road, how many other cars or pedestrians are nearby? Often many
Just because planes get completely obliterated at the speeds they travel doesn't mean cars going much slower in accidents come out unscathed. This is like elementary school stuff here.
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> local noobs What's that supposed to mean? UAE doesn't have a high local population to begin with. Majority of people living there are expats. And among that low population only a few choose to become pilots. You know, from the rest of the world American pilots flying in America also look like "local noobs". Let's wait until the relevant authorities release their final report. Maybe those particular pilots are quest…
> I've seen it again and again in HN. I can't speak to other cases you've seen. > "the noobs over the don't know what they're doing". I've heard from 3 different pilots from three different ME airlines, that the locals are untouchable, and get away with all sorts of bullshit that expats would get fired in an instant for. There are two or three pilots in every cockpit. If two or three pilots miss something that checkl…
Oh really????? I find that hard to believe.
Anyway, I'll assume you aren't lying.
If you have conclusive evidence, why don't you do us all a favour and give it to the FAA and try to ensure those middle eastern airlines stay grounded or atleast out of American skies?
(If you aren't from America, do the above with the aviation authority in your country, and maybe FAA as well anyway)
If you're gonna say FAA is in the arabs' payroll and the whole system is rigged, then you're screwed regardless of whether the ME "local noobs" are bad.
> that suggests it's not the individuals, but the airline and it's processes that are at fault No it does not necessarily.
If this kind of incident regularly happens, then yes the entire airline might be flawed. But at this point there is no evidence to believe so.
> the locals are untouchable, and get away with all sorts of bullshit First up, why don't you ask your ME pilot friends the ratio of local and expat pilots in those airlines?
What makes you think the local pilots there are into "bullshit"?
Those middle eastern airlines aren't any worse than any other major airline from anywhere else. If you can prove otherwise, contact FAA.
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> It's unbelievable This applies to most catastrophic failures, not just in aviation but in any other place that puts reasonable effort into preventing them. Usually there are plenty of safeguards, which means that most of the times, when something goes wrong, one of the safeguards prevents a catastrophic outcome and you don't hear about it. But when you do hear about it (due to the catastrophic outcome or a very nea…
>>Keep in mind that despite this, nothing seriously bad actually happened here. This is the exact wrong way to think about it. With substantial experience with managing risk, the most important thing I know is that you MUST UNDERSTAND the difference between managing risk with knowledge, technology, planning, and skill, vs rolling the dice and getting away with it. With risk management by knowledge, technology, planni…
It definitely was a failure in the sense of "we need to do failure analysis and make sure we don't get this close again", but it also was a success in the sense of "ultimately, something prevented a catastrophic outcome" (and studying that, and potentially trying to replicate those positive aspects at other airports, is also something that should to happen).
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> It's unbelievable This applies to most catastrophic failures, not just in aviation but in any other place that puts reasonable effort into preventing them. Usually there are plenty of safeguards, which means that most of the times, when something goes wrong, one of the safeguards prevents a catastrophic outcome and you don't hear about it. But when you do hear about it (due to the catastrophic outcome or a very nea…
Flying was one of my most irrational fears until Westjet introduced me to a pilot. He went into a truly massive amount of detail on their systems (both manual and automated) that prevent things like this. I’m not a pilot (I’m still very scared) and it’s been a long time so forgive me if my language isn’t correct. However, my understanding from that conversation is that this sort of thing is a system failure. Nobody g…
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Given one happens at ~50km/h at 0 altitude vs ~400km/h at 30,000ft... makes sense. Just like bumping into someone while walking is way less serious than bumping into another car while driving.
You just keep adding nonsense to the discussion. Is self driving going to be limited to 50km/h? No it's not, so what are you talking about? Is crashing your car at 50km/h not potentially deadly or dangerous? Of course it is. So, what are you talking about? When planes typically fly in the air, how many other planes are nearby? 0 When cars drive on the road, how many other cars or pedestrians are nearby? Often many Ju…
I agree that there is a lot more going on with cars, as traffic and road conditions vary more than air traffic and sky conditions.
But my response is the failures aren’t that bad in the car world. Autopilot (ie lane keep and cruise control) have been probably safer than human drivers. Navigate on autopilot is very stable, but limited to highway… that’s why I referred to the lower speed, because high speed is closer to solved. The hard part of full self driving, is city streets, which is typically lower speeds. The failure mode of FSD is typically for it to just stop… I have never seen a single failure where it full speeds into another object. This did seem to happen sometimes in autopilot in the past, but not FSD