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Ask HN: Why is today's Internet experience so user hostile?

#1
Ever tried to help a relative over the holidays to set up their home-banking? Lost in the juggling of your multi-factor device garden? Tried to get useful search results from Google recently to find yourself in advert hell? Longing for the old Amazon experience when today's seems like running the gauntlet of grey-imports and scam-price offerings? Logged out of a site for 6 months and returning to a completely confusing new site where nothing is like it used to be? Today's Internet experience has become user-hostile and it almost calls out for returning to the 90s: walled gardens aka Compuserve experience, dedicated devices for home-banking and standalone cameras.

What has led to this experience? On the top of my head I can see the following reasons:

* Release Often as KPIs for developers

The release often KPI for promotion and bonuses has led to constant changes to 'systems that are working fine' to become ever-changing user experiences. While daily users can gradually phase-in changes, most sites that are casually used will confuse users with completely new error-prone experience.

* Payment Security and Financial Regulations

At least in the EU fraud has led to various tech-related regulation calling as an example for separate apps for IDs and for transaction verification. While it is well-meant, it leads people to check bank statements less often and anecdotally in my family confuses especially elderly users to the point of introducing more opportunity for scams and fraud.

* Patch-work nature of ID & Verification

Captchas, Two-factor SMS, password rules and Authentication Apps have been patched onto the original user/pass system. The experience has become truly annoying with some clear winners: anecdotally more and more people simply use Google/Facebook OAuth as logins to sites. This is fine from a UI perspective, but lacks consumer regulation - what happens if you lose your access and who can you contact if your accounts get compromised/scammed/blocked?

* KPI switch from customer first to business model first

Having gained their audience share, Amazon and Google have switched from a 'customer is king' perspective to one which suits their business model most.

What are other reasons?

Re: Ask HN: Why is today's Internet experience so user hostile?

#2
I agree with most everything you have said but wonder if it is just the internet or everywhere these days.

I recently went through a McDonalds drive thru for the first time in a very long time and felt a longing for the old menu boards that had items and prices clearly listed instead of these TV screens with all the items and prices scattered about like a teenage girls dream collage.

I walked into a new BestBuy store picked up an item and could not find where to pay, apparently checkouts and queues for customers no longer make sense to their business model. I had three people walk past me before one finally asked if I needed help, I said "yes I would like to buy this" they told me they were going on break but directed me over to what looked like a 1980s nightclub coat check counter, where I waited another 10 minutes before leaving the item on the counter and walking out.

The busses no longer accept cash in my city, you need to buy a prepaid card from a transit hub or from one of their partner retailers. So I need to get a ride to the store to get a bus pass?!?

Everyone knows about self checkouts at grocery stores but now with online shopping services, it is like running through a gauntlet with gig workers blasting their way up and down the isles with no patients for us analog shoppers that don't know exactly where our items are located on the shelves.

At the risk of sounding even more like a crotchety old man, people in public these days spend most of their time with their heads down looking at their phones. I took a couple friends out for lunch and was unable to have a meaningful conversation as they felt whatever was on their phones was more interesting than conversing with the sucker buying them lunch.

There was a movie where a guy got out of prison after a lengthy sentence and his words seem to ring more true to me each and every day: "The world got itself in a damn hurry and it seems there is no place now for a feeble old man like me"

*Regarding Your comment about 2FA I recently purchased a hard to find item from a website that only accepted ShopPay, they required 2FA through my phone which was fine but now every time I load a checkout page that does accept other methods, ShopPay hammers out another text message and has managed to become my default method of payment, it now takes me extra effort to change my payment method back to what I want.

Re: Ask HN: Why is today's Internet experience so user hostile?

#4
I think it's mainly the last point. They got their marketshare, there's nothing more to gain. Any non-digital alternatives have dwindled. So they shift from attracting more customers to extracting more money from us. Tracking, targeted advertising etc on top of subscription plans. Double/Triple dipping to keep increasing their profits.

Re: Ask HN: Why is today's Internet experience so user hostile?

#5
Humans are bad at understanding that infinite growth goes against the laws of nature. As numbers start to trail off, new ways have to be dreamed up whether it's a degration of offering to save money or new endeavours that have nothing to do with the core business.

Re: Ask HN: Why is today's Internet experience so user hostile?

#6
It really feels like internet infrastructure has been growing more unstable. More outages, feels like way more bugs happening on my apple products as well.

I believe this is the result of the same thing that causes all the chaos in all human fields, lack of consciousness. We live in a very distracted time, COVID is still one more stressor on top of all the other things we have to manage in the world we've built to be inhospitable to mental health.

There's a shift happening in certain areas, but I think the old guard of tech is due for a revolution of some kind. My two cents, to start we need to stop building things with such low-level tools.

Re: Ask HN: Why is today's Internet experience so user hostile?

#7
Not a main factor but a factor is 'always the latest tech' issue. Most banks and airlines I use rewrote their perfectly fine and fast sites and apps to reactjs and now they seriously suck. This is not the fault of react but more of this idea of tech people that everything has to be new which means we don't have 10+ year experience in it and the results just take more work to get right (despite what everyone says here). My local bank did a rewrite from php with js/jquery to react and it's just unusable now. Slow, buggy etc; I have to have my developer console open to see if a transaction actually worked... The site before this was instant loading and perfect; it was over 10 years old and worked fine. The new one doesn't look much better but is garbage. HSBC HK did something similar and the result is awful. I click things and see the console light up red with errors 'undefined' etc. Revolut business has more bugs (which I keep reporting but they don't fix them). And I know how to use developer tools; what do other people do when they click something over and over and nothing happens? Etc etc. Use tools you have experience with ; you don't need to use all this new crap; use it in 10-15 years if it is still around.

Edit; in the same vain: microservices etc are not helping either. When done well they are supposed to help, but in reality I only see systems that can work when all microservices are up and responsive; if one is down, the entire thing is dead. Why didn't you make a monolith? Now you have brittle all over the place and devops with 247 stress.

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#8

I agree with most everything you have said but wonder if it is just the internet or everywhere these days. I recently went through a McDonalds drive thru for the first time in a very long time and felt a longing for the old menu boards that had items and prices clearly listed instead of these TV screens with all the items and prices scattered about like a teenage girls dream collage. I walked into a new BestBuy store…

Why is there a Google captcha in increasingly more checkout pages? This is the _only_ place a shop makes money.

Re: Ask HN: Why is today's Internet experience so user hostile?

#9

I've recently been travelling to some fam in Europe and the entire COVID experience is so convoluted and obscene I feel a moral obligation to defraud the private services profiting off of it.

Paying 100 euro for a test at the airport in Dublin when you depart so you can prove you didn't get COVID in the UK when you come back into Ireland 2 days later.

No logic or reasoning.

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