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Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Post by lazyjones »

progfix wrote: post #529
lazyjones wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Official numbers for Europe are available at https://euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/ They have graphs with excess deaths by age groups and you can see that 2021 looks worse than 2020, with a noticeable upwards trend starting around week 16 of 2021.

Did you confuse 2020 with 2021? Because I can't find any other upwards around week 16 than tbe one in 2020.

No. Scroll down to "Excess mortality", look at 15-44 and 45-64 years graphs. The light blue line is 2021. It shows an upward trend that goes way beyond the ranges for 2020 and 2019.

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Post by causi »

freyr wrote: post #464
lkrubner wrote: post #459

Many people kept insisting "Not many young people are dying from Covid-19" a statement that over looked the fact that, under normal circumstances, not many young people die at all. But there was an article in the New York Times that offered these facts about people aged 20 to 40. July, 2019: 11,000 dead July, 2020: 16,000 dead Both numbers are small in a country where 3 million people die each year, about 250,000 a m…

How many Covid-related? How many drug overdoses? How many suicides?

How many drug overdoses and suicides are directly related to covid and its impact on society, and by extension our failure to stop it before it became unstoppable?

Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Post by nl »

freyr wrote: post #521
hamburglar wrote: post #515

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A really useful exercise you can do for yourself (I did it) is to download the CDC total US deaths data and plot each of the past 7 years as lines on an x axis that goes from week 1 to week 52 of the year. Keeping in mind that this graph does not take cause of death into account, you will note two striking features: 1) the death curves for the 5 years up to and including 2019 are extremely similar, with the exception…

That’s a good suggestion. Here are the excess deaths for 25-44 year olds: https://imgur.com/a/b4Pobrh There’s definitely a significant rise in excess deaths among 25-44 year olds coinciding with the Delta peak in August/September. Something interesting though: In the Covid “valley” of June/July, when Covid-related deaths were at a record low nationally, 25-44 year olds still had a ~35% increase in excess deaths. I’d…

It’s quite likely that the timing of 25-44 yo deaths from Covid has a much wider distribution than older age groups.

It seems reasonable to speculate that younger people are able survive longer with respiratory problems and probably have less co-morbidities.

Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Post by [deleted] »

timeinput wrote: post #546
freyr wrote: post #506

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OP says deaths among people 20-40 are up 45%, and inferred that this is due to Covid. That’s the hypothesis being made here. And it contradicts what’s in the parent article, namely that many of these deaths are from causes other than Covid: “The CDC weekly death counts, which reflect the information on death certificates and so have a lag of up to eight weeks or longer, show that for the week ending Nov. 6, there wer…

The article is talking about deaths by Nov 2020 compared to Nov 2021 when there was an accessible effective vaccine. Parent comment is talking about increase of deaths from 2019 to 2020. I don't see the applicability of that quote. (Maybe OP and you and me are all off topic, but here we are.) [0] has no statistics on opioid deaths. [1] says that the deaths were going to be higher in Vermont, at (a projected) 200 deat…

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Post by shinazueli »

keneda7 wrote: post #543
lkrubner wrote: post #459

Many people kept insisting "Not many young people are dying from Covid-19" a statement that over looked the fact that, under normal circumstances, not many young people die at all. But there was an article in the New York Times that offered these facts about people aged 20 to 40. July, 2019: 11,000 dead July, 2020: 16,000 dead Both numbers are small in a country where 3 million people die each year, about 250,000 a m…

From the article this discussion is about "Most of the claims for deaths being filed are not classified as COVID-19 deaths, Davison said." I am confused why you are completely ignoring this statement and trying to claim the exact opposite.

Excess deaths by 45% would seem to indicate that the cause of death is simply incorrect. (Or it’s one of myriad tangentially related deaths: procedures not done, doctors not seen, hospital beds not available, on top of COVID related stressors exacerbating drug use and mental health problems.)

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Post by [deleted] »

nl wrote: post #554
freyr wrote: post #521

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s a good suggestion. Here are the excess deaths for 25-44 year olds: https://imgur.com/a/b4Pobrh There’s definitely a significant rise in excess deaths among 25-44 year olds coinciding with the Delta peak in August/September. Something interesting though: In the Covid “valley” of June/July, when Covid-related deaths were at a record low nationally, 25-44 year olds still had a ~35% increase in excess deaths. I’d…

It’s quite likely that the timing of 25-44 yo deaths from Covid has a much wider distribution than older age groups. It seems reasonable to speculate that younger people are able survive longer with respiratory problems and probably have less co-morbidities.

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Post by raxxorrax »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #468
freyr wrote: post #464

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many Covid-related? How many drug overdoses? How many suicides?

This seems like what-about-ism. You could look these numbers up easily on the CDCs death data, and then you could formulate a coherent thought. Instead, it seems like you're just trying to derail the conversation with as little effort as possible.

If you say so, we also have estimate the threat of the disease by excess death.

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Post by MandieD »

ericd wrote: post #362
diogenescynic wrote: post #318

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I don’t disagree but I think we should also be demanding more capacity from our hospitals and maybe just maybe demanding actual universal healthcare. It’s so bizarre to me that that’s not even on the table but it’s because most just assume we have to have a for-profit medical system.

Isn't Germany's healthcare system already universal, and their support for elderly people quite generous?

Nearly universal: there is a universal legal requirement that you have health insurance, and about 90% of the population is a member of one of the very strictly regulated Krankenkasse (the "public" option), with most of the remaining 10% is covered by more loosely-regulated (but still strict by US standards) private insurance.

Nearly universal: there are, by many estimates, at least tens of thousands of people who fall through the cracks - mostly (former) small business owners, other independent contractors, and widows of government employees who cannot afford their private insurance anymore, and are too old/unemployed to require a Krankenkasse to take them in.

Doctors own their own practices, or are employed by practices or hospitals. They have the choice to not accept Krankenkasse repayment rates, in which case they can only accept private patients (privately insured, or self-paying).

Germany's health economy looks more like the US than it does the UK. Overall, it is less expensive for similar quality, and American-style ruinous 6-figure bills are unheard of.

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