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Bitcoin consumed 134 TWh in total during 2021

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Re: Bitcoin consumed 134 TWh in total during 2021

#191

would be cool to see research about total energy cost of traditional financial systems, that bitcoin is trying to replace

It will almost certainly be less than bitcoin.

What bitcoin is trying to fix is decentralized trust and uses Proof-of-Work for that. So, you're wasting energy to solve some cryptographic puzzle to proof that you did some work.

Traditional banking does not need that, it uses social networks to establish trust.

Re: Bitcoin consumed 134 TWh in total during 2021

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> Rather than scapegoat Bitcoin for our climate crisis, start by... I too enjoy whataboutism to distract folks from the environmental impact of my favorite Ponzi scheme. > Do those things, and Bitcoin will literally subsidize and accelerate clean energy infrastructure investment. If you invest in massive solar and wind plants then use that energy to roll rocks up and back down a hill forever like Sisyphus, that's jus…

It's a waste to you, but not to the people who use and value it.

I could make a statue out of my feces and look at it every day and be happy about it, giving it some value, but it's still a heap of shit.

Re: Bitcoin consumed 134 TWh in total during 2021

#194

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Sure, if you are serious, the Bitcoin Standard book is a worthy read. But what’s important is that Bitcoin solves the inflation problem, and proof of work is the only system that we have for getting rid of the Cantillon effect of modern banking: the closer people get to the top of the central banks, the richer they get and destroy life for those who don’t have access to the inner layers of central banking. With Bitco…

Inflation isn't a bad thing necessarily.

Moderate inflation is good for debtors and keeps money circulating around the economy: those with savings can invest it in a way that keeps up with inflation. Deflation causes hoarding of money and economic collapse (like the Depression of the 1930s). Central banks try to manage inflation to keep is low but nonzero.

Re: Bitcoin consumed 134 TWh in total during 2021

#195

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Sure, if you are serious, the Bitcoin Standard book is a worthy read. But what’s important is that Bitcoin solves the inflation problem, and proof of work is the only system that we have for getting rid of the Cantillon effect of modern banking: the closer people get to the top of the central banks, the richer they get and destroy life for those who don’t have access to the inner layers of central banking. With Bitco…

Inflation might a problem but a world where countries would no longer be able to adjust the value of their money isn’t scarier? Wouldn’t we be giving up an essential lever to adjust to changing economical conditions?

The only thing that changes is that governments have to raise the taxes from people explicitly instead of a hidden inflation tax. I think it’s great for goverments as well, as it gives them more responsibility over how they are spending money. Norway of a great example of people paying high taxes because they see the government as responsibly spending and reinvesting its tax revenue. I never asked money from other people in my life, I was spending only what I earned, and I feel this way of living is a more honest and sustainable way of living.

Re: Bitcoin consumed 134 TWh in total during 2021

#196
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We are rapidly depleting our remaining carbon budget. Can a bitcoiner please explain to me why this is a necessary technological development right now?

Sure, if you are serious, the Bitcoin Standard book is a worthy read. But what’s important is that Bitcoin solves the inflation problem, and proof of work is the only system that we have for getting rid of the Cantillon effect of modern banking: the closer people get to the top of the central banks, the richer they get and destroy life for those who don’t have access to the inner layers of central banking. With Bitco…

> Bitcoin solves the inflation problem

With a cool little 300% increase in the value of single BTC over the single year, with some years seeing it go over 1000%, you're right, it solves the inflation problem by making it a ponzi scheme! Sweet!

Re: Bitcoin consumed 134 TWh in total during 2021

#197
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With a climate crisis the last thing we needed was to make the most effective energy consumption system ever constructed. The whole thing literally works on competing on consuming more energy. No other system works so efficiently towards such goal. What's scary is that the whole thing was designed to be unstoppable. My utopian hope for the future is that we start sending rigs in orbit close to the sun. Since we only…

I have a son who is just about 10 years old, and he’s getting to the age where he’s beginning to realize how irrational our world is. We recently had a conversation discussing the fact that we could eradicate hunger and the need for clean water globally, but for a whole host of reasons we have not yet done it. He continues to probe “why“ and all I can say is, essentially, because people are greedy and unmotivated gen…

you are speaking in a fictional "we" .. the wealthiest economies are built on pure selfish action, and grew like ivy in the garden in the last 500 years of expansion. Meanwhile, plenty of other cultures teach their children to compete with others based on language, "tribal" affiliation, other reasons.. You are trying to explain half of a world-view, and your ten year old easily finds the dissonance in that.

source: a person raised in the fictional "we" whose neighbors were not

Re: Bitcoin consumed 134 TWh in total during 2021

#198

In my darker moments I've come to believe that accelerationism is the only viable pathway to save the planet, since nothing short of civilizational collapse seems to be capable of seriously reducing our carbon emissions. From that perspective this is great news!

The 'planet' doesn't need saving - the planet is fine. No matter the damage we do to the planet through our predatory ecosystem exploitation, it will recover in a few million years. The most difficult step - the one that took almost 2.5 to 3 billion years, was eucaryotes and multicellular life. It's pretty unlikely we can do enough damage to undo that, even if we nuke the whole planet. The planet still has some 3 billion years until the sun turns red and that's plenty of time for another species to have a go at sentience.

It is human civilization that needs saving.

Re: Bitcoin consumed 134 TWh in total during 2021

#199

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> and unwilling to sacrifice a modicum for others I agree with your sentiment but I have to disagree with that phrase. The vast majority* of people of people pay quite a lot of money in taxes, which ostensibly** only exist to help others. (*) I know the billionaires have their wealth as unrealized gains; I chose my words carefully (**) I know we all disagree on how that revenue should be spent, but the purpose of tax…

> I know the billionaires have their wealth as unrealized gains; I chose my words carefully That they use as collateral to get loans from banks that actually have that money. "Billionaires don't actually have that money" is peak bootlicker logic.

That’s why I said “vast majority of people”.

Re: Bitcoin consumed 134 TWh in total during 2021

#200

Slightly tangential question: Couldn't Bitcoin be implemented on something other Blockchain, since Blockchain is so computationally intensive. Like why not use a SQL database instead. It's definitely not technically infeasible, and you can reliably achieve all objectives of Bitcoin by doing so. The idea of independent financial system is great, but the inefficiency of it's usage is something I am very doubtful about.

Well, if it wasn't a blockchain, it would be a lot easier to rewrite history and give myself millions of bitcoins.
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