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Re: Web3 is centralized

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post #33

Web3 is less centralized in that the user data is exposed and freely available to be composed upon. For example, when someone makes a deposit (say of ERC20 USDC to earn interest, around 3.0% currently) on https://compound.finance , that data is freely available and the "receipt" becomes another token (the ERC20 USDC cToken). [1] This token can now be used for other things, on any other protocol, without the involveme…

Who the hell cares?

Re: Web3 is centralized

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> With web3 there is gatekeeping and centralisation as I cannot spin up my own server any more without buying crypto and then paying someone on a centralised database just so that I can do everything I could do before for free on my own. Web3 includes all of the previous web technologies and adds optional layers on top. It is a superset of all web tech. You can totally setup an HTTP server on a Raspberry Pi, that's t…

> allow someone to login with their Ethereum wallet and use their ENS domain name as a username in your chat app rather than adding Google Auth You're basically describing OpenID, which predates cryptocurrency by several years.

Any tech that embraces decentralization and user ownership is considered Web3, in my mind. And any website or application that leverages that technology as a first-class citizen is considered to be Web3, in my mind. It does not have to be cryptocurrency related.

That being said, I think EVM-compatible wallet login will be stickier and have broader network effects as there are exclusive services you cannot access without it (unlike OpenId, which is merely an alternative to other logins).

There is also a major economic incentive to build user-friendly wallet experiences (such as Rainbow, Argent, and Dharma mobile apps) as well as browser plug-ins (Metamask, Coinbase Wallet, etc) and hardware devices (Ledger, GridPlus, etc) and I think that ecosystem of competition is going to produce some big UX wins that OpenId will never really be able to compete with.

Re: Web3 is centralized

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It is my observation that the time good programmers spend validating (with full or master nodes) on projects designed to be decentralized can win web 3.0 in our favor with protocols that don't plan on selling out for profit.

Re: Web3 is centralized

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post #137

I too, believe that while blockchain technology holds a lot of promise, it is not fulfilling the purpose of decentralization, due in large part to so many transparent cash grabs. The current crypto craze is nothing more than a fancy gold rush. It will be interesting to see where blockchain technology ends up after the gold rush is over.

Nowhere. It will end nowhere. If you want to build consensus or make sense of things then a first past the post vote on the truth isn't helpful. This is all entirely motivated by cash grabs and not an interest in developing useful things.

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He throws around the phrase "Other Blockchains" pretty casually, but then only focuses on Eth. Many of the problems in Ethereum are solved in Avalanche in my opinion. That's why I've heavily invested in it. Avalanche is already PoS, it can support a high transaction rate (estimated >4500 tps), and it has something called SubNets, which is the secret sauce. Subnets can have custom vm's for example. The idea of an application moving to a custom subnet is you can horizontally scale, customize, and future proof itself.

Re: Web3 is centralized

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So many people complaining about web3 being: - more centralized - more controlled by VCs - less performant / reliable / secure than web2 These are probably all true for now. They failed to see the key features web3: 1. the possibility (but not guarantee) to operate in a hostile government / regulatory environment 2. the possibility (but not guarantee) to operate without a legal entity without shareholders / boards We…

The problem with that superpower being the key thing is that only a small number of people care about it -- and actually run their own nodes, etc. The vast majority of the millions of users holding coins and NFTs hold them with middle men.

Re: Web3 is centralized

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post #241

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Helium is very much centralised because it has to (by the nature of their offering) lock down the end-user devices heavily. They have a single approved manufacturer last I checked. It essentially operates as a unregistered and unregulated ISP and that isn’t something to be taken lightly. It does that by pushing all legal and regulatory liability to operators. There’s also a lot of scams with operators faking their si…

> Helium is very much centralised because it has to (by the nature of their offering) lock down the end-user devices heavily. They have a single approved manufacturer last I checked. As far as I can see there are currently 19 approved device manufacturers [0]. > It essentially operates as a unregistered and unregulated ISP and that isn’t something to be taken lightly. It does that by pushing all legal and regulatory…

It’s not as much as “what regulations we want”, as “this is already a regulated space with every country having its own set of concerns and regulations.

This isn’t about Web3 though - Starlink for eg started accepted beta signups in India without a ISP license and was forced to go back on that. This is exactly kind of regulatory questions that Uber brought with it and it deserves the same level of scrutiny. Uber for eg, was forced to get a Taxi license in various jurisdictions.

Nice to see that they have more manufacturers though.

Re: Web3 is centralized

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post #231

So many people complaining about web3 being: - more centralized - more controlled by VCs - less performant / reliable / secure than web2 These are probably all true for now. They failed to see the key features web3: 1. the possibility (but not guarantee) to operate in a hostile government / regulatory environment 2. the possibility (but not guarantee) to operate without a legal entity without shareholders / boards We…

Isn't it harder to operate in a hostile government with a centralized ledger? Once the government somehow gets a hold of which wallets you use, they will be able to track down all your steps.

I'm a web3 enthusiast, but I would agree here. Crypto makes most governments jobs easier, not harder regardless if they are hostile or not.

Re: Web3 is centralized

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post #87

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Agree completely. There is a ton to criticize about crypto and "Web3" (I hate the term, tbh). It's rife with scams and unearned wealth. Even the things that aren't outright scams are mostly people selling hype. But this technology does enable something novel. Digital self-custody of scarce assets is a new thing. A thing that nobody could do before this stuff. And if that has utility, then the infrastructure for tradi…

Literally every online game has been doing digital scarcity forever. Let's see if any of the NFT collections end up having the success and lifetime of Eve Online or World of Warcraft. I realise there are hypothetical advantages to NFTs over in-game items, but I am not yet sure they will be worth it in the long term.

The predators of computer gaming (EA, Ubisoft, Activision) are already eyeing NFTs and blockchain for their next generation of "online services":

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-59167668

Re: Web3 is centralized

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post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't it harder to operate in a hostile government with a centralized ledger? Once the government somehow gets a hold of which wallets you use, they will be able to track down all your steps.

I don't about other block chains but that's a problem that Monero has (partially?) solved by tying transactions to two other wallets each transaction so that it is hard to follow your steps. Of course it doesn't solve all other blockchains problems but I would be curious to see it discussed more. The main criticism I have seen about it is that it allows criminality to move funds under the govts radar, which is not a…

Reading monero's site I got the impression that it would be impossible to know who Bob and Alice are looking at the block chain alone. However, if you had Bob's secret keys you'd know all the money he received and, if you have the sender's private keys, you'd be able to know them too.

That's certainly better than bitcoin, but it's still worse than using cash or gold. In which case you may have no traces of transactions left behind.

If I was living under an oppressive regime, I'd be weary of using crypto instead of cash. However, the advantage that crypto has is to reduce control that democratic governments have over the economy. But it could actually be an asset in combating tax evasion. You'd be able to get a lot more with subpoenas and warrants.

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