Wesley is complaining that people "are still using Discord"... as opposed to what? Stuff is being built. Right now everything is centralized, you have to give time for actual decentralized stuff to pop up and hopefully eventually replace old apps. That stuff takes time. Years, decades even. Also, I keep seeing the "yeah but you can just run a centralized database/private ledger though", but how about I DON'T NEED TO…
Web3 is centralized
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Re: Web3 is centralized
#82It's fascinating how on hacker news one typically finds detailed, reasoned and thoughtful comments. However on the topic of crypto and web3 the comments reliably degenerate into partisan tit for tat, consisting mainly of poorly researched, unreasoned sound bytes. It's a pity because I'd love to hear quality thought on the space. My personal view is that crypto and Web3 "are a thing" (Mean Girls) and will continue to…
I personally wouldn't know where to point you, and sadly its more likely you too will run into disillusioning use cases from your own exploration (or wind up in a cult to bolster an implementation that is going nowhere). For me, it's been more interesting to accept that no state of the these technologies is set in stone, that I can influence the future state, and that the monetary incentives to build and influence the future state are phenomenal. Better option than smugly exploiting myself at an adtech conglomerate, for less money.
There is room for more specific things to be discussed, like if you look at the frontpage right now, there is a thread about "Deserializing JSON fast" or "A comparison of Rust and Zig". There could just as easily be discussions about "Solidity vs Vyper" or a thread every time a new version of one of those languages used in Ethereum Virtual Machines is out. Or node technology and processing transactions faster. Things that can inspire, but instead we just get these broad think pieces from wannabe angel investors and some influential VCs. As this is what makes it, it shows that this isn't the community to expect a deeper discussion right now.
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#83The discussions around web3 reminds me of the days when people were looking for a "killer app" for Web 2.0. Was there any? I don't remember much, but I don't think there was a single thing that stood out as "the" Web 2.0 app. I expect web3 to be more or less the same. A lot of buzz, not much material.
I guess the big difference is that none of them got there by yelling from the rooftops, "Look at us, we're Web 2.0".
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#84Crypto market is really sad. It's a novel technical solution. But it can't find a problem where it fits as a good alternative. It's not a good alternative to banks, art collections or web hosting. But Bitcoin is still worth billions, NFT are all the rage and Web3 went from new concept to "trend" in the span of what feels like a week. But even with all the success they don't seem to be convincing many they have any in…
Just as Chinese citizens seem to be mostly happy about the politics in their country. Maybe that is the actual problem, people not caring about issues like free speech until it is too late. (Julian Assange is still imprisoned in the UK and almost nobody cares)
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#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
> are an absolute boon to tax collectors, forensic accountants and fraudsters Weird that it would be a boon for both forensic accountants and fraudsters. How do you reconcile that sentence? The fact that something is done in public does not mean that it is centralized. There is public and decentralized, public and centralized, private and centralized, and private and decentralized. Decentralization itself, is a spect…
> Weird that it would be a boon for both forensic accountants and fraudsters. How do you reconcile that sentence? It is very common to track people by the tokens they hold and target them for theft and fraud. One example is to airdrop a backdoored token, and when the user tries to move it they wind up authorizing movement of their other valuable tokens. Or to just use the airdrop to lead a curious user to the airdrop…
Re: Web3 is centralized
#86It's fascinating how on hacker news one typically finds detailed, reasoned and thoughtful comments. However on the topic of crypto and web3 the comments reliably degenerate into partisan tit for tat, consisting mainly of poorly researched, unreasoned sound bytes. It's a pity because I'd love to hear quality thought on the space. My personal view is that crypto and Web3 "are a thing" (Mean Girls) and will continue to…
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#87It's fascinating how on hacker news one typically finds detailed, reasoned and thoughtful comments. However on the topic of crypto and web3 the comments reliably degenerate into partisan tit for tat, consisting mainly of poorly researched, unreasoned sound bytes. It's a pity because I'd love to hear quality thought on the space. My personal view is that crypto and Web3 "are a thing" (Mean Girls) and will continue to…
But this technology does enable something novel. Digital self-custody of scarce assets is a new thing. A thing that nobody could do before this stuff. And if that has utility, then the infrastructure for trading, lending, and all the rest related to those things has value.
Even if you don't personally find it valuable, it should be clear that it is a thing that people could, in principle, legitimately prefer to traditional systems.
That being said, a huge percentage of what's happening in the space is bullshit, an outright scam or an "essentially scam" project. All those things deserve heaps of scorn and criticism. Investigate Tether, regulate ICOs, do all the things. But don't go so far as to deny that there's anything there, or say ridiculous things like "Web3 is more centralized". Even if it's true that web3 is more centralized than the internet, that isn't the basis of comparison here. Web3 isn't competing with the internet, it's competing with traditional finance. And there should be no question that Web3 is substantially more decentralized than that.
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#88I like to login web-apps using my wallet. I like to see things that I own in my wallet. I think we should give a chance to web3.
This is all possible today, no web3 required. Logins with client certificates were solved decades ago and "owning" items digitally is something many services can do for you, see Steam, Amazon Video, Apple iTunes etc. To get those services to give up control and put all their things into web3 is a pipedream.
Just because you claim it was ‘solved decades ago’ doesn’t mean it’s easier for the average joe.
I find that wallet login is much easier, no fumbling around with ‘certificates’ required, and I even hate crypto.
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#89Wesley is complaining that people "are still using Discord"... as opposed to what? Stuff is being built. Right now everything is centralized, you have to give time for actual decentralized stuff to pop up and hopefully eventually replace old apps. That stuff takes time. Years, decades even. Also, I keep seeing the "yeah but you can just run a centralized database/private ledger though", but how about I DON'T NEED TO…
Matrix would probably be a better choice by now?
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#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think of it as centralization in that all transactions will be stored in one “database”, but decentralized in that the database has millions of nodes and anyone can add their hardware as a node
That's centralization, just replicated for redundancy.