Never mind the passengers, this would have been pretty scary for those in the houses being overflown by a 777 at treetop height!
Boeing 777 departing Dubai nearly had a major incident after takeoff
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Pakistan is the only country I’ve ever heard about having that problem. I doubt an advanced economy like UAE would be having this issue.
There are more Pakistani citizens living in the UAE than there are UAE citizens. So if Pakistan has a problem with fake pilot licenses, then so does the UAE.
This logic makes no sense. First of all, the citizenship of Emirates pilots would not mirror the citizenship of the UAE itself. Most Pakistan citizens coming to the UAE are not coming to work for Emirates. Secondly, Emirates is able to do their own due diligance on pilot licenses, and since the problems with Pakistan licenses are well known throughout the industry, they would receive extra scrutiny.
The problems that occurred here are neither unique to Emirates nor likely to have anything to do with fake pilot licenses. Over-reliance on automation and complacency are global issues.
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#343Earlier quoted context omitted.
> - Has lower-level officials that accept bribes How many countries does that leave? And why only low level, why not also high level? Doesn't that rule out the US as well? > - Has had airlines and planes for fewer than 5 decades Also sounds arbitrary.
my frend catch lionair flight , indonesian borneo to jakarta the plane acting funny on landing in jakarta, sort of jumping around, weird turbulence when it land, he look outside and see that one of the major aileron has fuselage completely missing and had been replace with electrical tape the plane was flying funny because one of the aileron was replaced with electrical tape from dollar store by international airline…
> the plane was flying funny because one of the aileron was replaced with electrical tape from dollar store by international airline technician
This is wild speculation, based on second-hand information from your friend, who, given that they referred to it as electrical tape when anyone in the industry would know it's called speed tape and has no similarities with electrical tape, probably doesn't actually know which part of the aircraft is the aileron.
Speed tape on the wing is quite common anywhere in the world on any carrier, and is safe if done properly.
Lion Air and Indonesian aviation has a lot of problems in general, but I doubt this issue was genuinely a safety issue. Your friend probably felt some turbulence on landing.
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Emirates is a Flag Carrier for UAE, apparently owned by Dubai's government via 'Investment Corporation of Dubai.' There is, therefore, no meaningful distinction between it and its regulator, so don't hold your breath on that hope either. The FAA will demur; bet the rent money on that. We're talking UAE money here, and that means most of the US Senate is on speed dial. No FAA functionaries will be troubling UAE over t…
Airplane manufacturers and regulators being too close is not good, see the MAX MCAS issue, airlines should be completely firewalled from regulators for very obvious reasons. That's pretty bad. Here in NL was have a similar situation where the state is shareholder of KLM/AF leading to all kinds of bizarre decisions in recent times. But at least I'd hope that some people at the regulator would resign rather than avoid…
In NL you do have some somewhat-external oversight in the form of the European Aviation Safety Agency. This does _sort of_ apply to UAE as well, in the sense that EASA and FAA do some oversight of Emirates because they use their airspace and airports. But obviously that doesn't rise to the level of oversight that a proper arms-length local regulator would be able to provide.
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#345Earlier quoted context omitted.
From a top comment on the article by "Mark D": > I’m a captain at a U.S. major airline with a lot of time in 777s. [...] Also, this is something that SHOULD have been caught by at least two separate checklists, which they obviously didn’t do.
Adding at the end: " ... So, these pilots were ill trained and negligent. Don’t fly on these types of carriers. I don’t."
I omitted that bit because I thought it was the least interesting part of Mark D's comment. The subthread which it has inspired here has reinforced my impression. :(
There was actually lots of additional interesting technical detail from Mark D which I also left out; the part that was germane to the comment I replied to was the bit about the checklists, since that backed up the notion that the Emirates notice was messed up and weird.
The conclusion though, "Don’t fly on these types of carriers", can easily be interpreted as a sociocultural swipe, even if I'm inclined to believe Mark D meant something else and just botched the wording.
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#346The memo from Emirates about not setting altitude in system to airport altitude is so weird. I really hope that's not the actual message Emirates is putting out there. It doesn't matter was in system. You run your checklists and configure for your own flight / your own departure etc. Memo should be to training / recruitment - where did you find these pilots to fly a 777? So they obviously didn't pre-flight the flight…
Sounds like a desperate attempt at saving face.
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> Pilots are getting far too comfortable flying what the computer is telling them instead of flying the actual aircraft. I'm not a pilot but this stuff does concern me. If you Google around for GPS related accidents with cars the results are pretty mind boggling. There's a number of cases of folks driving straight into a lake because GPS told them to go that way. This plane incident reminds me of that.
This is exactly why the mass delusion propagated by Elon that Tesla's have full self driving is terrifying, and why "self driving" in general is a sinister lie that endangers the public.
The premise behind self driving cars that can handle most situations themselves relies on the assumption that a human operator is paying attention and can take over in situations the computer can't handle. I'm not a pilot, but it's likely that assumption can hold while flying at cruising altitude, but not so much when driving in various inconsistent road and traffic conditions.
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You, clearly, have never flown EK. I have six flights in EK first class under my belt. I've taken showers on their airplanes. I've enjoyed $1,500 bottles of 1964 port wine and cognac poured generously. I've eaten caviar and socialized at the onboard lounge. Believe me, EK is nothing like a "chicken and goat airline". It's world class all the way.
The fact that their service in first class is luxurious (which nobody is denying) doesn’t necessarily imply that their pilots are good.
Sure, but the reference to chickens and goats in the parent comment indicates a severe lack of knowledge about Emirates, the UAE, and (I would venture a guess) perhaps most of the world outside the USA...
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#349Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Pilots are getting far too comfortable flying what the computer is telling them instead of flying the actual aircraft. I'm not a pilot but this stuff does concern me. If you Google around for GPS related accidents with cars the results are pretty mind boggling. There's a number of cases of folks driving straight into a lake because GPS told them to go that way. This plane incident reminds me of that.
This is exactly why the mass delusion propagated by Elon that Tesla's have full self driving is terrifying, and why "self driving" in general is a sinister lie that endangers the public.
I think that is not really related. Following a “guidance system” that’s using gps (and altitude in the planes case) is very different from having a neural net interpret the surroundings visually and make decisions based on that.
I don’t know where/why you are attributing sinister motives here… it seems a very understandable motive to make transport better.
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#350You put your life in many other people's hands every time you step into an airport. If you use Chickens, Goats, and Passengers Airlines, expect not to make it to your destination in one piece. 737 NG (-6xx (736), -7xx, -8xx (738), -9xx (739)), MAX, and 787 are reasons not to fly on Boeing equipment. They have both obscure (Ducommun) and well-known history of cutting corners in design, testing, manufacturing, and who…
Even the fastest passenger trains are quite slow compared to average airliners, and there's a lot of places connected by air that don't have train tracks between them. Air travel should stay dominant until both of those things change.
Only beyond a certain distance — there are a few routes in China and Europe where the train will get you from A to B faster than an aircraft due to the aircraft's speed advantage mostly being in cruise flight. If you take into account the time spent in the airport at either side, there are actually a lot of such routes.