Boeing 777 departing Dubai nearly had a major incident after takeoff

Post by AmericanChopper » Sun, Jan 02, 2022, 12:58 AM UTC

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It's unbelievable that the pilot's didn't realize they were doing 215 knots while still ON THE GROUND and only decided to pull back on the yoke once they were nearing the end of the runway. They should have at least seen the end of the runway coming up and wondered why they weren't airborne yet. The ends are colored in amber and red as it gets closer to the end, it should be pretty obvious something is wrong. Pull ba…

I think some countries have this problem of fake pilot degrees, is UAE one of those? Also wonder what kind of training did pilots receive during downtime in COVID to make sure their skills won't decay

Post by vultour » Sun, Jan 02, 2022, 12:59 AM UTC

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262 is still too high for either of those flap positions according to the above list. So while you may be correct with your comment, it is pretty much without point??? Edit: At least for the topic of this discussion. However, I'll now be able to win a bar bet when someone aks what flaps position for a heavy take off of a 777 would be

Sure. The question becomes "given an airplane that's had a limit airspeed exceeded by about 22% (so aerodynamic loads typically less than 1.5x the placarded limit), what's then the safest course of action for a crew who just minutes ago demonstrated that they were incapable to perform an uncomplicated, utterly standard takeoff procedure?" Do you want them declaring an emergency, dumping fuel, flying around at night,…

Post by errcorrectcode » Sun, Jan 02, 2022, 1:00 AM UTC

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You put your life in many other people's hands every time you step into an airport. If you use Chickens, Goats, and Passengers Airlines, expect not to make it to your destination in one piece. 737 NG (-6xx (736), -7xx, -8xx (738), -9xx (739)), MAX, and 787 are reasons not to fly on Boeing equipment. They have both obscure (Ducommun) and well-known history of cutting corners in design, testing, manufacturing, and who…

I disagree with so many things in this post… 1. Commercial airline travel is significantly safer than driving on a per mile or per hour basis 2. This flight was from Dubai to Washington. I don’t think there’s any train routes between these two cities.

Post by pdonis » Sun, Jan 02, 2022, 1:03 AM UTC

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> I don't think passengers would have noticed this as anything other than a regular takeoff It looks like the aircraft didn't leave the runway until the runway safety area at the end. That is something any passenger looking out the window could notice. A normal takeoff has the aircraft leaving the runway well before the end.

> That is something any passenger looking out the window could notice. I don't think so, because the departure was at 3:10AM local time (23:10Z). It would have been too dark to perceive.

Post by azth » Sun, Jan 02, 2022, 1:07 AM UTC

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I wonder what “these types of carriers” means here. I know there are low-cost carriers and I wouldn’t be surprised if they had less-experienced pilots, etc. But to me Emirates strikes me as a well-funded, reputable operation. Does he mean Middle Eastern carriers?

If the country you're in: - Prioritizes "face" or "reputation" above literal accuracy - Has lower-level officials that accept bribes - Has had airlines and planes for fewer than 5 decades Assume any complex high-risk engineering system run by that culture will occasionally fail in major ways.