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Boeing 777 departing Dubai nearly had a major incident after takeoff

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Re: Boeing 777 departing Dubai nearly had a major incident after takeoff

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pdonis wrote: post #45
diebeforei485 wrote: post #33

> suggesting [...]the previous flight crew had left the altitude setting at [...] 00000 feet Does the system really display as "00000"? That seems like an odd design choice, I'd have thought just a single "0" would be far more legible in this scenario, especially if it's on a 7-segment display. I don't think passengers would have noticed this as anything other than a regular takeoff, because ATC does request slow cli…

> I don't think passengers would have noticed this as anything other than a regular takeoff It looks like the aircraft didn't leave the runway until the runway safety area at the end. That is something any passenger looking out the window could notice. A normal takeoff has the aircraft leaving the runway well before the end.

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Re: Boeing 777 departing Dubai nearly had a major incident after takeoff

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Post by jacquesm »

belter wrote: post #31

Read what is the current top comment in the article linked above, from a U.S. captain also flying 777's, for the list of checks the crew apparently missed. Biggest flag is flying pilot apparently selecting autopilot on immediately after takeoff. Emirates note to their crews,is even more bizarre. Like an hospital reminding Anesthesiologists to check if patients are fully knocked out before operations. Incident still u…

More like a hospital telling anesthesiologists not to disconnect their lines because the next anesthesiologist might be an incompetent.

Re: Boeing 777 departing Dubai nearly had a major incident after takeoff

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Post by jacquesm »

bener wrote: post #37
munchler wrote: post #29

Why is it even possible to enter a desired altitude of 0 feet into an automatic pilot? As a layman, it’s hard for me to imagine why anyone flying a 777 would want to maintain an altitude of zero at full speed for more than a few seconds (if that).

Just a guess, is that the target altitude? Meaning they set it to zero during landing approach?

If true that would get you a hell of a surprise when trying to land at Schiphol.

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Post by mulmen »

adamm255 wrote: post #42
mulmen wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Knots is used for ground speed as well I thought?

I’ve never heard Knots used on land. Sea and Air yes!

Ground speed is speed over the ground. This includes when the aircraft is in the air. Airspeed is the speed of the plane through the air. These are not the same thing. Both are reported in knots.

Re: Boeing 777 departing Dubai nearly had a major incident after takeoff

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Post by cm2187 »

onphonenow wrote: post #16

The memo from Emirates about not setting altitude in system to airport altitude is so weird. I really hope that's not the actual message Emirates is putting out there. It doesn't matter was in system. You run your checklists and configure for your own flight / your own departure etc. Memo should be to training / recruitment - where did you find these pilots to fly a 777? So they obviously didn't pre-flight the flight…

Isn’t there some sort of reset settings button when you start a new flight? Like is there any setting set by the previous crew that should be left as is by the new crew?

Re: Boeing 777 departing Dubai nearly had a major incident after takeoff

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Post by throwawayboise »

SkyMarshal wrote: post #54

At least this sounds like pure human error, failure to follow pre-flight checklists, and not a Boeing engineering/mechanical problem.

But engineering/mechanical problems can be identified, analyzed, and eliminated (or mitigated). Human error still finds a way around our many attempts (training, checklists, standardized procedures, etc) to prevent it.

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Post by lmilcin »

cm2187 wrote: post #68
onphonenow wrote: post #16

The memo from Emirates about not setting altitude in system to airport altitude is so weird. I really hope that's not the actual message Emirates is putting out there. It doesn't matter was in system. You run your checklists and configure for your own flight / your own departure etc. Memo should be to training / recruitment - where did you find these pilots to fly a 777? So they obviously didn't pre-flight the flight…

Isn’t there some sort of reset settings button when you start a new flight? Like is there any setting set by the previous crew that should be left as is by the new crew?

Nope. The crew is responsible for verifying anything and everything important for the flight safety.

A button like that would be pretty dangerous. Just imagine somebody pressed this in an emergency...

In general flying a plane is already complex. You need to be able to understand what is going to happen to the plane when you press a button. Something that resets a lot of other settings would have extremely complex consequences.

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