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Re: New Temperature Records for the UK

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Post by hunter-gatherer » Sat, Jan 01, 2022, 7:58 PM UTC

ticviking wrote: post #38

Yuioup wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you 'retire on software'. I'm a software engineer and I have nowhere near enough savings for retirement, not even close.

If you only spend %50 of your paycheck, and invest the savings well it's basically 5-10 years to FIRE. It's more complicated than I make it sound there but ultimately it's a matter of deciding it's important to you to do this and making it happen.

I think it is closer to investing 70% for a 10 year target, actually. And that is a pretty "great case" scenario.

Re: New Temperature Records for the UK

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Post by b_emery » Sat, Jan 01, 2022, 7:58 PM UTC

For those of us used to degrees F, keep this in mind:

  10 C ~= 50 F

  20 C ~= 68 F

  30 C ~= 86 F

So 15 C is about 59 degrees F.

Re: New Temperature Records for the UK

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Post by DFHippie » Sat, Jan 01, 2022, 7:59 PM UTC

coolso wrote: post #21

mhh__ wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As far as I'm aware, the Bible does instruct the faithful Christian to look after god's creation. Considering the zeal of American Christianity, this has apparently been lost on many (i.e. the cold atheists in Europe are doing a better job).

Perhaps there is a knowledge that behind every politician claiming to want to care for the environment, it means more money taken out of their pockets, among many other shady ulterior “progressive” motives. They see through the BS, in other words. Most people want to look after God’s creation. They just don’t want to get screwed over by politicians in the process, nor do they necessarily want to buy into the false pr…

> nor do they necessarily want to buy into the false prophet scientists who have been claiming the end is nigh regarding this subject for decades now (always pushing the new end further down the line, but this time it’s for real, they swear!)

Meanwhile, what has actually happened: the scientists keep finding that their earlier predictions were too optimistic.

Re: New Temperature Records for the UK

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Post by ben_w » Sat, Jan 01, 2022, 8:00 PM UTC

irthomasthomas wrote: post #30

It was 15C NYE and the record was 18.0C at Abergwyngregyn, Gwynedd in 1972. I am pretty happy to be honest, considering the fuel crisis, this is a blessing to some. I am not convinced that life everywhere will suddenly be terrible just because it is a little warmer. We had warm periods before and things got better. The Late Bronze Warm Period, The Roman Warm period, and the Middle Age Warm Period. https://imgr.search…

First, it’s going to be a bigger change than those periods. The “business as usual” scenario is warmer than today by the degree to which today is warmer than the ice ages. (And I think at least some of those were local climate changes, not global ones?)

Second, it’s not about life everywhere except for people who stop as soon as they finish the headlines. Some farmland will go from marginal to good, others from good to marginal. Unfortunately the latter is going to hurt more than the former will help, fortunately there are already solutions, unfortunately they are expensive. Probably more expensive than green subsidies, even if the tech never improves.

Thirdly, IIRC, we don’t yet know the conditions which would interfere with the thermohaline circulation, but we have observed the bit near the the U.K. — the Gulf Stream — moving north. Mess that up and the U.K. suddenly turns from a pleasant mild-ish climate all year round into something more like Newfoundland, which is at the same latitude.

Re: New Temperature Records for the UK

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Post by polotics » Sat, Jan 01, 2022, 8:00 PM UTC

beebeepka wrote: post #12

I don't have a habit of checking temperature but felt like 15 degree here on Bulgaria. Spent most of the day outside and there were all kinds of insects flying around. Guess the summer is going to suck. Either too hot or too cold.

My bet is this will be the next 2003, after western Canada last year, mainland Europe may well be due for the next roast.

Re: New Temperature Records for the UK

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Post by gambiting » Sat, Jan 01, 2022, 8:09 PM UTC

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #50

Yuioup wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you 'retire on software'. I'm a software engineer and I have nowhere near enough savings for retirement, not even close.

A lot can be written on the topic, but it all comes down to the difference between your income and your expenses over the span of a couple decades. A median income with a median cost of living and a median lifestyle won’t do it, obviously. Otherwise everybody would be retiring early. There’s a lot written about finding remote, high-paying jobs and then living like an ultra-frugal bachelor. That’s actually much harder…

Yes, that's very nice and all, but what does it have to do with saving the planet? Even if you don't need to have a job to survive, how do you go about helping? I'm not trying to be sarcastic, I'm genuienly curious.

Re: New Temperature Records for the UK

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Post by Retric » Sat, Jan 01, 2022, 8:21 PM UTC

hunter-gatherer wrote: post #61

ticviking wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you only spend %50 of your paycheck, and invest the savings well it's basically 5-10 years to FIRE. It's more complicated than I make it sound there but ultimately it's a matter of deciding it's important to you to do this and making it happen.

I think it is closer to investing 70% for a 10 year target, actually. And that is a pretty "great case" scenario.

Yea, there is often an unspoken assumption of moving to some ultra cheap location which is central to those ultra short time periods. If you can live on 10% of your income in retirement then you can save that up very quickly.

Re: New Temperature Records for the UK

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Post by irthomasthomas » Sat, Jan 01, 2022, 8:21 PM UTC

polotics wrote: post #60

irthomasthomas wrote: post #30

It was 15C NYE and the record was 18.0C at Abergwyngregyn, Gwynedd in 1972. I am pretty happy to be honest, considering the fuel crisis, this is a blessing to some. I am not convinced that life everywhere will suddenly be terrible just because it is a little warmer. We had warm periods before and things got better. The Late Bronze Warm Period, The Roman Warm period, and the Middle Age Warm Period. https://imgr.search…

It is not going to be a little warmer: do you know about averages? Two degree higher average temperatures means many European forests will burn and not recuperate. With four, even Ireland desertifies. Climate change is only just getting started, by the time people like you realize action is needed, it will be much too much too late. The movie "don't look up" comes to mind.

Desertification was predicted but it didn't happen. The earth has greened instead. https://www.nasa.gov/feature/greening-of-the-earth-mitigates...

Re: New Temperature Records for the UK

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Post by hiptobecubic » Sat, Jan 01, 2022, 8:22 PM UTC

gambiting wrote: post #66

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot can be written on the topic, but it all comes down to the difference between your income and your expenses over the span of a couple decades. A median income with a median cost of living and a median lifestyle won’t do it, obviously. Otherwise everybody would be retiring early. There’s a lot written about finding remote, high-paying jobs and then living like an ultra-frugal bachelor. That’s actually much harder…

Yes, that's very nice and all, but what does it have to do with saving the planet? Even if you don't need to have a job to survive, how do you go about helping? I'm not trying to be sarcastic, I'm genuienly curious.

Spending your efforts on environmental work rather than building blockchain-powered juicing machines or tinder for sweatshop workers.

Re: New Temperature Records for the UK

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Post by malandrew » Sat, Jan 01, 2022, 8:23 PM UTC

ben_w wrote: post #64

irthomasthomas wrote: post #30

It was 15C NYE and the record was 18.0C at Abergwyngregyn, Gwynedd in 1972. I am pretty happy to be honest, considering the fuel crisis, this is a blessing to some. I am not convinced that life everywhere will suddenly be terrible just because it is a little warmer. We had warm periods before and things got better. The Late Bronze Warm Period, The Roman Warm period, and the Middle Age Warm Period. https://imgr.search…

First, it’s going to be a bigger change than those periods. The “business as usual” scenario is warmer than today by the degree to which today is warmer than the ice ages. (And I think at least some of those were local climate changes, not global ones?) Second, it’s not about life everywhere except for people who stop as soon as they finish the headlines. Some farmland will go from marginal to good, others from good…

Do you know of any maps showing the relative position of the guest team over the UK over time?

Curious to see if there’s a prediction that Scotland becomes a lot nicer weather wise as it is at the northern end of the UK.