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Maybe Strousoup was showing disgust at the words written on the t-shirt?
What makes you suggest that?
There is at least one profanity written on it.
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#182The lack of any mention of D-lang disturbs me.
Surely Izzy is a very informed person on language design and can have at least some opinion about it.
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#183> So what is out there for me, if not C++ or Rust? Ada. I write C++ professionally and used Rust for about a year, but don't use it anymore. In many ways, Ada feels like a much simpler implementation of the C++ feature set. The language lets you focus on intent, while still having a lot of control. Yes, Ada's still alive and kicking, it has a package manager, documentation generator, parsing/semantic analysis library…
It became clear that the author isn't willing to consider anything that isn't 100% perfect in every way anymore. One tool needs some work - your whole language is out. Ada is on my list of languages to learn something about (more than the 12 languages in 10 weeks class I took back when I got my degree which is the only time I touched it). It has some interesting features (particularly the SPARK variant)
But we do. The value I get from this kind of articles, and I did read the article, is actually in the comments here.
Adding ADA to this language feature comparison is interesting to me.
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Come on now, you can't really believe that someone who "just couldn’t let something go because it was wrong or incorrect and it bothered" them - would have failed to live in and deal with society 30 years ago.
For some definition of failure. Ever read a really old book - something from the 1800s? Ever listen to your old family stories? There are many variations of "Larry, he never leaves the farm". We have no idea what might be wrong with Larry, but it is clear there must have been a lot of people who failed to fit into society. We also know that are variations, in some cases Larry would leave the farm but only for specifi…
I'm sure that's true but I'm also sure that some portions of personality are mutable at will. I wonder sometimes whether diagnoses takes away the will to make changes.
It's kind of like poverty. Some portion is luck and some portion is due to behaviors that can be modified. Trying to solve the problem assuming that it's 100% one or the other doesn't work.
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#185FYI: the author is named Isabella and AFAICT uses female pronouns. In light of that, the amount of "he" and "him" in the comments so far seems a bit excessive. EDIT: it looks like a lot of those comments have been cleaned up or deleted since I first made this comment. Thank you.
It’s xe/xyr according to the linked Twitter profile.
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I'm not sure I'm ready to learn another language to be honest. After a decade+ of C++ it'd feel like driving on the wrong side of the road and I wouldn't blame any employers who didn't want to take a chance on that :)
My advice (after also having spent 'too much' time on C++) is to never focus on a single language, it's better to have a shallow knowledge of several languages than a deep knowledge of a single language (especially when it's a "fractal complexity" language like C++ - the mental capacity to deeply know C++ is enough to be productive with 2..3 less complex languages). Usually it's not the programming language that's im…
> Usually it's not the programming language that's important, but the ecosystem around the language (the standard library, available libraries, interests of the community etc...).
I no longer consider an ecosystem separate from a programming language given its importance in the overall utility of the language.
I came to that conclusion after I realized I wouldn’t like the Rust language so much if it weren’t for cargo and the crates.io package manager.
I know a guy who hold the opinion that Docker is a sufficient package manager for C++. I think this misses the degree to which tight coupling of these technologies can yield a lot of leverage.
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#188The lack of any mention of D-lang disturbs me. Surely Izzy is a very informed person on language design and can have at least some opinion about it.
It is no surprise, after 10 years of Andrei's book, while the language has progressed a lot, it keeps being a programing language for enthusiasts still soul searching for a market.
The community is quite nice though.
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#189> I simply have to accept that there is nothing out there for me. That I will be miserable as long as I continue to work in tech, and that nothing will ever bring me joy in this space ever again. And I have the C++ committee to thank for this. How did the C++ committee cause this?
Did you read the article? They've fought the committee for years. It's a huge problem the C++ committee is known for.
That doesn't answer the question. A language committee not implementing changes someone wants cannot be and is not the source of someone else's life-long misery.
I with the author the best in finding a more sustainable and healthy way of constructing meaning
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(Veering a bit off-topic, forgive me.) Is there any non-proprietary Ada/SPARK implementation? I've heard some good things about Ada/SPARK, but DDG hasn't been much help in finding out if there's any non-proprietary implementation of SPARK of decent quality.
> Is there any non-proprietary Ada/SPARK implementation? Yes, it's now available as part of GNAT. The integration in GNAT Studio is good and lets you prove a single line or entire file in the IDE. I mostly write Ada for my projects and have only dabbled in SPARK. It's super interesting, but also ridiculously hard. I don't have any formal training in this, but to me, I found it at least as on par with C++ template met…
Is there an easy way to get up and running with SPARK on ubuntu using just "apt install" from official package repositories?