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Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Re: Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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It is fairly clear that is it not a significant factor, even before omicron. I don't know how these claims that lack a solid scientific basis still continue. You cannot attribute a capability to a vaccine that has not been confirmed through high quality evidence.

it's not clear at all. Where I live, unvaccinated people are >7x likely to test positive.

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Whatever one thinks about seatbelts and the ethics of seatbelt laws, they’re a horrendously bad analogy for “vaccines”. A seatbelt can always be removed after use. A “vaccine” cannot. If somebody is concerned about potential issues with the “vaccine” comparing it to a seatbelt feels disingenuous because the “vaccine” can never be undone.

Your body is undoing the vaccine just fine. It's just ARN, it's discarded after a while. Didn't you learn that in your bio classes or did you think it would never be useful? The rest is just practice for that precious immune system. What's wrong about it? Don't you trust it to do the right thing? I personally don't because I know about autoimmune diseases, but hey, you seem to be of that "crowd" who only talks in quo…

> Your body is undoing the vaccine just fine. It's just ARN, it's discarded after a while.

Let's not be willfully disingenuous here. Obviously, the types of "vaccine" injuries or potential long-term problems that many people are fearful about don't dissipate into the ether.

Re: Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Where do you derive your right to consent or not? I could say I have the right to not have my body put in jail, but I have no basis for that.

Item 1 of the Nuremberg Code. "The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, over-reaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowle…

The current application of the vaccine at scale is not being done with "human subjects" (that research was already done, on consenting subjects). It doesn't apply in situations where the legal authority has authorized the treatment.

Trotting out the nuremberg code for a vaccine intended to help reduce world suffering (that is being used in a moral ways) is in poor taste, in my opinion. It was written because Nazis were using Jewish and other people in scientific experiments that make vaccine trials look pleasant.

Also, all the necessary information for you to make a decision according to the code has already been provided to you, and the US government (not sure about others) has a constitutionally supported right to mandate that you take a vaccine.

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I've been vaccinated 3 times. But. 5m out of 7 billion on Earth. The WHO is making rumblings of downgrading pandemic to endemic. Your body is all you really have so if someone chooses to not get vaccinated I believe that to be their (and my) right. I won't have that decision made for me and I won't make that decision for another, except my boy, who is too young to decide for himself. Just like my parents vaccinated m…

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It seems we are heading in a direction where those who don't take the jab will be blocked from receiving government services, prevented from patronizing various businesses, and even restricted from traveling and the ability to work. Are most citizens really okay with this medical apartheid, or are they afraid of speaking out against it?

I personally have no issue with this for the well-being of the majority and the medically vulnerables, and to make sure our healthcare system isn't overwhelmed with COVID cases that could otherwise be avoided or at least won't require hospitalization.

Hospitalizations are up because the governing health agencies are actively making it difficult to access proven prophylactic treatments.

(https://www.forbes.com/sites/zacharysmith/2021/12/23/us-paus...)

Odd thought: Even if ineffective against omicron, why would the government pause distribution of any, safe medicine? Doctor's should still be allowed to use it as they see fit, no?

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I've been vaccinated 3 times. But. 5m out of 7 billion on Earth. The WHO is making rumblings of downgrading pandemic to endemic. Your body is all you really have so if someone chooses to not get vaccinated I believe that to be their (and my) right. I won't have that decision made for me and I won't make that decision for another, except my boy, who is too young to decide for himself. Just like my parents vaccinated m…

The vaccine is not mandatory in Canada.

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In other festive COVID news from Canada: >Canada's Justin Trudeau on the unvaccinated: >“They don’t believe in science/progress and are very often misogynistic and racist....This leads us, as a leader and as a country, to make a choice: Do we tolerate these people?" https://twitter.com/KevinBardosh/status/1476838517007257600 My patience with COVID cultists is starting to run quite thin.

My dad spent his life working in public health, including vaccinations. “Doesn’t believe in science and progress” and “very often misogynistic and racist” is how Trudeau would describe your typical villager in Asia or Africa—the people my dad spent a lifetime serving. But Trudeau’s unrelated moral crusades are utterly irrelevant to the issue of public health, and he’s deeply damaging the public health effort by tryin…

He's making the same mistake we see all over social media these days. The collective assumption that everyone who disagrees with any ONE popular narrative, must also disagree with ALL other popular narratives.

Anti-vaxxers must also be climate change deniers and racists and anti-abortion, etc...

It makes it easier to hate people you disagree with if they're fundamentally evil in all the same ways. It saves you from having to have discussions with them, from having to think for yourself, and from any ethical dilemma when you mistreat them.

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Almost as if reducing mortality/hospitalization is an irrelevant metric to you. Almost as if an abstract social construct as “rights” is more important to you than actual health.

You seem to misunderstand the entire reason the U.S. was created. Don't like it, leave. Seriously.

Note that the Supreme Court validated Jacobson vs. Massachusetts, supporting the right of the government to mandate vaccines (remember, George Washington mandated vaccines for his troops) and showing that the power of the state ultimately trumps the freedoms of people.

Honestly, you're making arguments (in multiple comments) that make you look petulant, rather than providing a reasonable argument againt vaccine mandates.

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As a population they don’t work anymore. They need to produce an omicron-targeted vaccine. This current vaccine simply doesn’t work because it’s targets the wrong spike protein and it shows.

Can you define “don’t work”? The study I linked to shows some effect, even in omicron. I’m kind of confused.

Where’s the omicron data? I specifically said omicron. I don’t see anything that shows omicron especially since it’s only prevalent in the US in the last few weeks.

Ahhh never mind. You didn’t actually read the data. You just scanned through it. If you look look more thoroughly it doesn’t address omicron at all. The last data I could see was from December 14. Omicron was not prevalent at that point, delta was. The vaccine offered some, but not much, protection against infection from delta.

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There is no science if doubts aren’t allowed.

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These policies are punitive - they are not based on science.

There is no science demonstrating that withholding unemployment reduces transmission rates.

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