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Tokyo: A big city that is also pleasant to live in

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Re: Tokyo: A big city that is also pleasant to live in

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You don't really have real cities in the US = there are a few exceptions but most of the time it's just a very tiny center and a lot of people living away from the center. That's not what a traditional city looks like.

Why does the US need to have traditional cities? I grew up in a high density city overseas and I can see the appeal of both types of city. I personally prefer low density, car centric cities (obviously we need to finish solving the emissions problem from cars, but that's separate).

Putting all preferences aside, American suburban living is fiscally unsustainable and supported by massive borrowing.

That’s one major reason American infrastructure is so bad. Towns have to balance their books, and that means they cannot afford to maintain their infrastructure until the federal government, which is not legally required to balance its books, borrows a ton of money to give away for basic infrastructure to be maintained.

Re: Tokyo: A big city that is also pleasant to live in

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US "cities" are just not dense enough to be called cities. This is not America's fault. They have a resource most of the world lacks: space. Too much space and you cannot make a real city.

There's no "cannot", it's a conscious choice - if you have more space than necessary that absolutely does not require that you expand to fill all of it. And in particular this has caused issues because American cities tend towards sprawl, filling up area with low-density housing that requires significantly more infrastructure per capita, and implementing zoning laws to prevent higher-density development even as the p…

They sprawl because people want space. If you're from Paris or Tokyo or London you really just don't know what it's like to have a quiet, detached house with a nice garden, maybe a pool where your kids can play randomly without needing to plan a trip to the community center, space for a garden, knowing everyone within 200m of your house by name...

It's a completely different way of life that is not possible without lots of space. Some people want that and so they will pay to buy it. It's not like city planners are laughing in smoke-filled rooms like, "haha! this will be our most sprawling city yet!"

Re: Tokyo: A big city that is also pleasant to live in

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> It is the reason why the US is number one at producing greenhouse gases. This is incorrect. China currently holds this spot. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_greenhous...

per capita is the more accurate measure. Yeah I note my mistake in another reply. Even so, the US historically took the number one spot for both total greenhouse gases and greenhouse gases per capita. If you look at it from a perspective of a longer timespan, the US is basically number one. It is only in recent times does the US now currently take the number two spots for both categories.

Indeed. Here is an animation of the cumulative emissions starting 1750:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jx85qK1ztAc

The US come in first, my home country Germany takes the fourth spot.

Re: Tokyo: A big city that is also pleasant to live in

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> Tokyo comes joint fourth, but its population is larger than the combined populations of the others (Adelaide, Auckland, Osaka and Wellington). Having lived in Adelaide and visited Toyko, Osaka and a bunch of other Japanese cities, I can take a crack at the difference: Adelaide is a great lifestyle city, if you don't actually want to live in a city, love car enabled lifestyles and the outdoors. Tokyo would be great…

I honestly don't understand how "cities" like Adelaide, Auckland and Wellington keep making these lists of "most liveable cities". Their low populations mean they just don't have much of the things that make cities desirable. (like, lots of culture, lots of diversity, lots of options for dining and activities etc etc) Granted, that can make them comparatively pleasant and peaceful, with good access to outdoors and fr…

Although they aren't "towns" (in Northeast US parlance), a lot of people want a large town or "city-lite" lifestyle. Walk to a market, hardware store, cafe, etc. Maybe some local low-level cultural events.

But also low crime, low noise, not too crowded. And you can hop in a car and head off to relatively nearby nature of some sort.

Many don't want to live in Manhattan which, while an extreme example, means really committing to the urban lifestyle. Doesn't mean you can't go somewhere else for a long weekend but it's not a trivial undertaking.

Re: Tokyo: A big city that is also pleasant to live in

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That's the thing. It's a super great place when you are a tourist. I lived there and I saw the bad sides, too. To keep this amazing tidyness, order, extremely high quality of service, people go to their limits - with low pay and low perspectives. We have these "bad" jobs also here, people in those jobs are half-assing them, are rude or just quit. In Japan, at least from my experience, it's the conservative conformity…

Most of the things you mentioned here is why I like Japan more han the Western world. To be fair, Japan isn’t perfect. But a lot of things make sense for us. Are you a westerner? It seems that your way of thinking is just different than ours. We value things differently. For example, have you ever stopped to consider that maybe Japanese woman prefer to be in traditional role? The western world has a lot of problems t…

I wanted to comment, but deleted them since you've described my thoughts seeing the parent comment. All I'm going to say is I'm not a "Westerner" so I don't view things in the western perspective.

Re: Tokyo: A big city that is also pleasant to live in

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Forget about the emissions issue, I just hate driving and having to depend on its supporting infrastructure (repair shops, gas stations, insurance...) for my day-to-day needs. I live in a US suburb. Can't even get a sandwich or buy milk or see someone without strapping myself into my fucking car. This is no way to live. If I could, I'd give up ever having to drive again in a heartbeat. Unfortunately, here we have few…

I feel just the opposite. I enjoy driving. It puts me in a thoughtful state and the feeling of being free to take whatever turn, shortcut, or scenic route I want at a whim is great. I don’t look forward to the day a human driving is a weekend, closed course activity for the privileged.

You cannot take a scenic route on a whim. You can only take a route that roads and infrastructure is built for and regularly maintained.

Re: Tokyo: A big city that is also pleasant to live in

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Yes, it's a known problem. Lax law enforcement, most social services are also "downtown." While the commenter said they wont name the cities, it can be Chicago, Seattle, Los Angeles, San Francisco, New York, etc. It makes it unpleasant, and if you do have to live in the middle of downtown or such, not only are you paying more - you have to for safety. Safety of a living place, safety of controlled entry, safety of a…

> especially once you bring up age, gender and race of the perpetrators Is there sufficient social support for the families of young black males? If not, it may make sense economically to provide it, if it would make American cities functional again.

“social support” is what caused the problem in the first place.

Re: Tokyo: A big city that is also pleasant to live in

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I thought a lot of people also live in houses in and around Tokyo.

Japanese houses are quite different from US ones. My in-laws live in a house in suburban Chiba well outside Tokyo, but it has literally no garden space and the neighborhood is so densely packed a taxi can't even pull into the little laneway it's in. Within a 100 meter radius there's a grocery, a drugstore, several restaurants and more, and everybody gets around on foot, by bicycle or by bus.

tbh a yard seems less necessary when you can walk everywhere

Re: Tokyo: A big city that is also pleasant to live in

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Is this a problem that America has generally? I.e there are areas where most people are scared to walk through in every city? I know many parts of the world have problems like this, but Europe doesn’t have many places like that.

Yes, it's a known problem. Lax law enforcement, most social services are also "downtown." While the commenter said they wont name the cities, it can be Chicago, Seattle, Los Angeles, San Francisco, New York, etc. It makes it unpleasant, and if you do have to live in the middle of downtown or such, not only are you paying more - you have to for safety. Safety of a living place, safety of controlled entry, safety of a…

Not one of the cities you mention is in the top 10 cities with the highest murders per capita.

https://www.roadsnacks.net/murder-capitals-of-america/

The same is probably true of other crime as well.

Re: Tokyo: A big city that is also pleasant to live in

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This is honestly the thing that bothers me most about cities the US. Having grown up in Europe, I find many (I'm sure there are exceptions) US cities to be plain ugly and unlivable. The reason is obvious to me. It's that they are designed around cars. It makes such a huge difference.

A counter argument is that US has a very developed suburban living culture with families living in houses. And while obviously this is comfortable living, you then need a car to get to the city center. Having said that, I agree that nothing beats the walkability of European cities, quality of living wise. US has a lot to learn from that.

You wouldn't need a car if there was good public transport :)
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