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Wrapping Up 2021. Leaving C++

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Re: Wrapping Up 2021. Leaving C++

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Post by junon »

ch_123 wrote: post #47
Atomskun wrote: post #21

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> Imagine needing to announce your "departure" from a community. The exact same thing jumped out at me. Does anyone know if the author is a particularly well known or influential member of the C++ community?

Contributing to the spec, creating a very widely used set of CMake utilities, and being a widely enjoyed speaker not enough for you?

With the condescending airquotes and demeaning comment, one might think you had done some research. Clearly you hadn't. A Google search can tell you all of this.

Re: Wrapping Up 2021. Leaving C++

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Post by junon »

_y5hn wrote: post #50
mysterydip wrote: post #17

> The last 10 years of my life writing C++ in a professional context were a complete waste of time that I will never get back. I have nothing to show for it. I don't get this part. The language you write something in has little to do with how useful the software is. I've had years writing fulfilling software, and years where I was just spinning my wheels.

It's just the author acknowledging all the code written belongs to some company or organization, and often, can't even be used as a showcase. It was work for money, plain and simple, but may become a hard sell later. However, it's not necessarily true. Working with large codebases, working on language design questions, committees, everything grows experience that can be used later. It's just not clear now how, as req…

> It's just the author acknowledging all the code written belongs to some company or organization, and often, can't even be used as a showcase. It was work for money, plain and simple, but may become a hard sell later

That's not at all the point being made...

Re: Wrapping Up 2021. Leaving C++

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Post by junon »

wott wrote: post #40
mysterydip wrote: post #17

> The last 10 years of my life writing C++ in a professional context were a complete waste of time that I will never get back. I have nothing to show for it. I don't get this part. The language you write something in has little to do with how useful the software is. I've had years writing fulfilling software, and years where I was just spinning my wheels.

It seems to be one of those nowadays numerous people who invest a great part of their time into programming 'communities' to the point it becomes a defining point of their life, instead of just considering the underlying tool... a tool (or one hobby) among others. It often ends this way.

The author contributed to the spec. They have very strong opinions about language design. If you don't, fine, but don't drag down and dismiss those people who are on the front lines creating the tools you use.

Re: Wrapping Up 2021. Leaving C++

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Post by junon »

Jyaif wrote: post #6
lfowles wrote: post #4

Makes me wonder if I've too strongly tied my career to a specific language. However, right now it's not that I'm specifically a C++ programmer, just that the industry (gamedev) is largely C++. I'm sure in for it if that shifts out from under me before I find stable employment though....

The C++ programmers will just switch to C++ 2.0, aka Rust. It's not a big leap.

Rust is not a solution in every case. It makes me personally want to use it less since everyone shills it mindlessly.

Re: Wrapping Up 2021. Leaving C++

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Post by junon »

indymike wrote: post #8

Maybe worry less about languages. All through my career I've seen remarkable applications written in languages people heaped derision on, or were less than perfect in some way or the other.

> Maybe worry less about languages

Why should someone who contributes to the development of the language specs themselves "worry less" about languages?

Re: Wrapping Up 2021. Leaving C++

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Post by junon »

nairboon wrote: post #13

> I simply have to accept that there is nothing out there for me. That I will be miserable as long as I continue to work in tech, and that nothing will ever bring me joy in this space ever again. And I have the C++ committee to thank for this. How did the C++ committee cause this?

Did you read the article? They've fought the committee for years. It's a huge problem the C++ committee is known for.

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Post by bluGill »

its_bbq wrote: post #64

I met Izzy a few times at cppcon and always came away impressed. I have basically the same thoughts about the c++ community -- it burns people out and it's filled with a ton of negativity and ego and it's very hard to get anything done. While I was at Google I spent some time trying to push for some sort of codes of conduct after a colleague of mine had a reasonable proposal ripped to shreds in email groups with all…

>inappropriate sexist

If this was internal Google communication as it sounds then you should go to HR about sexist communication, if that doesn't get results then go to the victim and encourage a lawsuit against the company

Re: Wrapping Up 2021. Leaving C++

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Post by titzer »

Consider it an opportunity to branch out to new languages and new ways of thinking. It's good to take a step out to fresh air and take off the reality distortion field helmet that goes with any community of people invested in a particular way of doing things--and I mean that in a broad way, not just technology.

I spent close to a decade doing and thinking about things primarily from a JVM-centric point of view. I wrote C for a number of years, I wrote Java for a number of years, then C++, and worked on JavaScript VMs. Let me tell you, all those communities have their distortion fields. There are zombies of all kinds! (heh) I have my own, custom distortion field.

It's good to escape and see things from multiple different perspectives. You should feel hopeful! Lots of other things are cool and fun!

Re: Wrapping Up 2021. Leaving C++

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Post by thomasfedb »

yholio wrote: post #31
amelius wrote: post #7

> I discovered that I not only have OCD but OCPD, a personality disorder. If you’ve ever had a conversation with me where I just couldn’t let something go because it was wrong or incorrect and it bothered me, now you know why. Sounds like about half of the people on internet fora.

Luckily, now we have an alfabet soup of conditions that can cover any obtuseness, quirkiness and non-conformity of your personality. People are no longer told "your are so and so, try to not be that way any more", people now "have" conditions and, while drug treatments usually exists, it requires a lot of compassion from the rest of us.

Personality disorders are generally not able to be effectively treated with medications. That's not to say that doctors don't ever try, but there's very limited evidence to support it.
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