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Re: Meet Amazon.com’s first employee: Shel Kaphan

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In practice, the terms founder/cofounder/founding-employee are fuzzy and granted based on mutual agreement among those present. Every early pivot or talent-acquisition or rebranding or product launch could reasonably reset the 'founding team', if that's the spirit of the participants. To limit the term only to the person with the idea overemphasizes ideation. To limit the term only to the person who first writes chec…

"but all the team are also 'founders' in a reasonable, non-hagiographic sense of the word." I suppose, but who is taking all of the risk? A founder takes a loss if the company loses and wins when the company is profitable. An employee doesn't take a loss (in a sense that they are paid a regular salary no matter what).

That's an overgeneralization. Many big-F Founders take salaries starting at the same time as founding employees. Both are likely taking relative cash compensation cuts compared to their next-best options, and 'risking' opportunity costs. Both might forgo salary in a funding pinch or chaotic fume-out.

If the big-F Founder has a richer set of post-failure options than founding employees – and gets more beneficial notoriety even in failure – they may in practice be risking less than early employees.

Re: Meet Amazon.com’s first employee: Shel Kaphan

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Am I wrong in thinking that just because you're employee #1 (after the founder) that that doesn't make you a co-founder. I don't think it matters if the company had been legally formed yet or not. I think a co-founder is about what you do, not when you join. If Mr. Kaplan was key in strategy and envisioning the business, that would go a long way, but if he was responsible for implementing Bezos plan, I don't think he…

So as a thought experiment, what if Bezos gave him a spec with one sentence "Sell books online?" That's a plan.

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Am I wrong in thinking that just because you're employee #1 (after the founder) that that doesn't make you a co-founder. I don't think it matters if the company had been legally formed yet or not. I think a co-founder is about what you do, not when you join. If Mr. Kaplan was key in strategy and envisioning the business, that would go a long way, but if he was responsible for implementing Bezos plan, I don't think he…

Noun founder (plural founders) One who founds, establishes, and erects; one who lays a foundation; an author; one from whom something originates; one who endows. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/founder

Whatever his title officially was, before him, there was no code. He built the foundation of amazon.com. Doesn't that make him a "founder".

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Am I wrong in thinking that just because you're employee #1 (after the founder) that that doesn't make you a co-founder. I don't think it matters if the company had been legally formed yet or not. I think a co-founder is about what you do, not when you join. If Mr. Kaplan was key in strategy and envisioning the business, that would go a long way, but if he was responsible for implementing Bezos plan, I don't think he…

I would say it is simpler in startup terms. Most founders are pre-money. If you get a full salary on your start date, you are not a founder, you are an employee (perhaps the first).

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Am I wrong in thinking that just because you're employee #1 (after the founder) that that doesn't make you a co-founder. I don't think it matters if the company had been legally formed yet or not. I think a co-founder is about what you do, not when you join. If Mr. Kaplan was key in strategy and envisioning the business, that would go a long way, but if he was responsible for implementing Bezos plan, I don't think he…

The first time I'd heard of him was when Paul Graham called him a de facto cofounder:

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1045781

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Am I wrong in thinking that just because you're employee #1 (after the founder) that that doesn't make you a co-founder. I don't think it matters if the company had been legally formed yet or not. I think a co-founder is about what you do, not when you join. If Mr. Kaplan was key in strategy and envisioning the business, that would go a long way, but if he was responsible for implementing Bezos plan, I don't think he…

I guess its more about official role and what you officially register yourself as when you join the company, its really the only thing that goes down in history so no one would actually know what you do other then your official role, not the general public anyway (press, media, shareholders etc etc).

After reading that whole article i find Kaphlan to be a very interesting guy. I feel i share alot of personality traits with him and from the outcome i can see where those traits has helped and worked against him in the startup world....

Might look into a few things further cause of this article :) Thanks ...

Re: Meet Amazon.com’s first employee: Shel Kaphan

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"I didn’t get founder’s stock. It didn’t seem worth the argument at the time"

Apparently he's a nice, amiable guy. Regardless of whether you want to technically call him co-founder or not, it's sad to think how much he possibly missed out on by not negotiating more with Jeff at the beginning.

What I walk away with is, consider all scenarios when making a deal, and don't be afraid to negotiate for something better.

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