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Re: Ask HN: How do you promote your web apps?

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Hopefully you had a pre-launch page where you collected email addresses, then you can email these people upon launch. Typically this is a pre- development page, whereby you're basically tricking people into thinking you already have something, just to gauge the viability of what you're thinking of building. In other words, it's a sleazy practise.

Disagree completely. As long as you truthfully state what it is you are doing and what will happen when the user leaves their email - their is nothing sleazy about this.

The key word there is "typically".

I've seen people recommend doing exactly what I described. Obviously, being honest about what's up is not a bad thing, but that's not what I was talking about.

Re: Ask HN: How do you promote your web apps?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hopefully you had a pre-launch page where you collected email addresses, then you can email these people upon launch. Typically this is a pre- development page, whereby you're basically tricking people into thinking you already have something, just to gauge the viability of what you're thinking of building. In other words, it's a sleazy practise.

It doesn't have to be pre-development. For my product, I created this page about 3 months after development began, and 3 months before public release. I used the signups to get beta testers before launch, and then announced to the rest after launch. Anything can be a sleazy practice if people use it for sleazy purposes, but it's not the practice itself.

That's good. I did say "typically", though, and didn't accuse you of anything. But I've seen people recommend doing what I described.

Re: Ask HN: How do you promote your web apps?

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post #43

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I keep reading SEO, SEO, and more SEO. But what does that really entails? As a web developer, I thought that doing nothing (other than providing quality content) and not trying to skew search results is the best path to go?

When we talk about SEO, we are really talking about two different efforts, on-page SEO and off-page SEO. On-page SEO is all about ensuring that your content can be fairly evaluated by search engines and humans. For example, changing the permalink structure of your posts from /?p=13 to /understanding-dependency-injection is not gaming the system; it's helping Google (and humans) figure out what your content is really…

The reason we object to it is that in reality it's spam. 99% of the time it's not a great article, it's crap. You're not writing it out of joy, it's to get links and make a computer deep in google think it's relevant. You need to trick google into thinking people like it so you spam wherever you can and pray you get those links.

There aren't 100 great links per day on HN. It's actually extremely difficult to write good content. Yet there are tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of companies doing this.

All off-page SEO is grey as you're essentially trying to trick google into thinking your content is better than organic content. But is there any organic content any more?

On the other hand, we have to get off our high horse. Real life is full of spam, TV adverts, radio adverts, billboards, networking events where you have to filter the schmoozers from the interesting.

The web is the same way and if you don't compete to get your content out there, you competitor will. As everyone does it now, you have to do it too.

So I agree with you, but I'm more realistic about the fact that most content produced is going to suck.

Re: Ask HN: How do you promote your web apps?

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Hi. When we first released http://limelightapp.com/ the only thing we did was post it on Hacker News. It made the first page for a few hours. In addition to generating really great feedback from the community, it also generated a decent amount of traffic (about 6000 unique visitors.) Later that day, our app got picked up on http://www.thenextweb.com/ and a few Chinese sites. The article on TNW generated about 200 twe…

Just FYI, TripLingo has been featured on Mashable, TNW, RWW, etc., and each of those posts generated between 200-1k tweets. Problem is, most of them are just bots that auto-tweet stuff from those sites. Probably got 10-15 legit tweets off of each. But be wary of tweets off of sites like that, I doubt anyone legit follows the people auto-tweeting.

Which isn't to say we didn't see a lot of traffic from those articles, just not from Twitter.

Re: Ask HN: How do you promote your web apps?

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Something that has helped us, a little more in the e-commerce space, but listing your phone number definately drives business. We are bootstrapped, but let the number forward to our cells. All three partners pick up the phone, gives good connections with customers and allows us to do a good pitch and eleviate doubts.

Re: Ask HN: How do you promote your web apps?

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Here's some ideas we've used for our B2B app incentiBox (http://www.incentibox.com):

1. Tried Press Release company that says they will push your articles out to thousands of media sources - didn't work as well as we hoped, because they do just what they say: "push the article out in a feed", no guarantees it will even be picked up. I'd be careful with this one.

2. Contacted relevant bloggers - works pretty well. You need to find relevant bloggers so your web app is in line with their interests. Then they will likely write about you.

3. SEM - Google adwords. This can work, depending on the cost of your keywords. For popular keywords (eg. "Social media") this may be too expensive to see any results at all. It's a great way to test out initial response to your web app and test the overall market demand. Depending on your revenue model, if you can figure out how to set your adwords budget so that you have a low enough average cost of acquiring a customer, you can have great results.

4. Blogging - can be VERY effective if you keep generating relevant information/content, especially in the long term for organic search engine optimization. Don't dis-count the use of Twitter / Facebook, to promote your articles, re-tweet, etc. This takes time and you might not see results right away.

5. Try a social-media advertising app - of course we use our own product! Yes, a shameless plug, but depending on your webapp and target market (great for apps targeting the younger generation), investing in social media marketing may be a great way to get users. Check out our platform http://www.incentibox.com/ - you can set up contest or rewards program in minutes and get your visitors to help spread the word amongst their friends. It's always refreshing to hear that people signed up because of word-of-mouth!

6. Cold email / cold call - This imho is the best way to get INSTANT feedback. To start, call / email 20 ppl a day, and see if there's any interest. If yes, then it's a numbers game, and you should invest more time into this.

I would suggest trying all that you can think of for promoting. In the beginning it will always seem like guerrilla marketing - it pretty much is! But hopefully that will lead you to discover which methods work for you and which don't. Good luck!

Re: Ask HN: How do you promote your web apps?

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post #57

http://SmallPayroll.ca was a one-man-in-his-spare-time project until recently. What I did was: 1. SEM - Google AdWords mostly. I spent a fair time on this, partially because my day job at the time was in the SEM field 2. Organic - I got a great domain that contained my primary keywords, got a landing page built, and it ended up driving a lot of organic traffic. I also set up a blog on the main site. The blog was good…

Have you written about your experiences with transitioning from "spare time project" to what it is now? I saw that there is a blog for smallpayroll.ca, but do you have a personal blog that covers the start of your business and beyond? I'm very interested in transitioning spare-time projects into something real. Thanks for any info, and congratulations on smallpayroll.ca!

There are some other people involved now, and they've asked that I hold off on anything like that for a little bit. http://ertw.com/blog/ is where it'll be.

Re: Ask HN: How do you promote your web apps?

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SEO and SEM are must. Working on both for our site www.Pawrks.com. Still on launch page as we are cranking the code for the other pages we are giving extra attention to meta tags (any suggestions welcome) Also extensively canvassing with Facebook friends and twitter buddies to spread the word around. Media coverage will be important just when we launch with all glory.

Re: Ask HN: How do you promote your web apps?

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http://SmallPayroll.ca was a one-man-in-his-spare-time project until recently. What I did was: 1. SEM - Google AdWords mostly. I spent a fair time on this, partially because my day job at the time was in the SEM field 2. Organic - I got a great domain that contained my primary keywords, got a landing page built, and it ended up driving a lot of organic traffic. I also set up a blog on the main site. The blog was good…

Nice work launching this on the side, I know how exhilarating it can feel when people pay you for what you made.

One comment – The orange and brown color combination on your landing page looks visually tiring to me, which was probably why someone else said that your site looks depressing.

Take color psychology into account, here's a link I googled that touches on that:

http://www.1stwebdesigner.com/design/color-psychology-websit...

And all the best!

- Alvin Lai

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