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Re: Smartbolts

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Installing to a known torque and painting a line on the fastener is a lot less expensive, which becomes important when your project has potentially tens of thousands of key fasteners, like a bridge. But for something like an MRI machine where there’s fewer fasteners and higher stakes - would make a lot of sense to use Smartbolt I think. Tangential: related to trucks, there is a somewhat similar product to easily moni…

Yeah, a quality torque wrench isn't cheap (particularly the kind you find in fixed installations like auto repair shops and factories) but there's got to be some crossover when you are buying enough bolts that you're better spending money on tools that are more idiot proof.

I install automated and semi-automated equipment in factories, sometimes including threaded fasteners, and the overwhelming majority of QC issues I observe (both on the devices being manufactured and on the mechanical equipment I'm delivering and writing code for) are not inaccuracies in torque or clamping load, but instead, failure to torque a bolt at all. The cycle was started but someone hit the E-stop mid cycle, and the fasteners were barely finger tight but you can't tell by looking at it.

A torque wrench is better than a Smartbolt once it's put on the fastener, but the Smartbolt can be measured just by looking at it.

An HN company does a similar thing with RFID tags for grease zerks:

https://greaseboss.com.au/

Again, it's not so much about measuring that the precisely right amount of grease was dispensed, but that every one of the 37 grease points was at least near the tip of the gun once every 30 days for the life of the equipment; the operator didn't forget about that one zerk that's hard to see and grease only 36 zerks for 5 years...

Re: Smartbolts

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Smartbolts seem to be useful in applications where there is an expectation the bolts will loosen over time/the maintenance lifetime, reducing/easing inspection time. Similar to the tell-tales used on truck lug nuts: https://www.dealsonwheels.co.nz/trucks/features/1302/new-tyr...

Installing to a known torque and painting a line on the fastener is a lot less expensive, which becomes important when your project has potentially tens of thousands of key fasteners, like a bridge. But for something like an MRI machine where there’s fewer fasteners and higher stakes - would make a lot of sense to use Smartbolt I think. Tangential: related to trucks, there is a somewhat similar product to easily moni…

Torquing to a known torque and painting marks is fine...except there's no guarantee the clamp load hasn't changed due to all the mating surfaces wearing.

There's also too many variables in the real world if the application is critical enough. Clamp load changes with how many times the fasteners have been assembled due to the threads getting polished, how clean and dry the fasteners are, etc.

Re: Smartbolts

#113

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Yeah, a quality torque wrench isn't cheap (particularly the kind you find in fixed installations like auto repair shops and factories) but there's got to be some crossover when you are buying enough bolts that you're better spending money on tools that are more idiot proof.

A problem with many torque wrenches is that they click (or beep) when the set torque is reached, but they do not prevent tightening beyond that, nor do they have any way to indicate how much overtightened the fastener might be. It seems to me that these bolts have the same issue. Ever wonder why the tire shop has tightened your wheel lug nuts so tight that you can't get them off with the hand wrench when you need to…

Powered torque wrenches like Milwaulkee's (designed for electricians) and assembly line fastener drivers absolutely stop at the proper torque.

If you think dealership/tire shop/corner shop garage techs touch a torque wrench for lug nuts, you're dreaming. They blast each nut on with the gun and walk away.

Techs never are incentivized to get everything done as fast as possible because they're paid by book rate, and there's zero disincentive for not doing it properly.

Torque sticks were an attempt to address the problem but most techs can't even be bothered with those.

Proper torque for lug nuts is multi-step anyway. Star pattern partial tightening, with the wheel placed correctly on the hub if it doesn't have a concentric ring - then full tightening, then re-checking after the vehicle has been driven for a few minutes, because of fretting between the wheel, rotor, and hub surfaces...even if you've carefully prepped the surfaces, which again, no automotive tech does.

Re: Smartbolts

#114
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True, but this caveat is generally pre-empted in design phase through safety factor principles - multiply certain design parameters by a coefficient greater than 1 to account for the inaccuracy in things like torque-tension correlation.

I’m not getting your point here, won’t there always be inherent trade offs? If you scale the specified torque, you risk over-tensioning. If you scale the dimensions of the fastener, that has lots of consequences. Is there some safety factor here you can add “for free” that I’m not seeing? Otherwise, why is it that you “generally” pre-empt this caveat with safety factor versus coming up with a more reliable way to ach…

The general idea is that proper bolt installation is a solved problem…at least in so far as ordinary industrial/commercial/construction applications are concerned. There’s an informed experienced trade base, a well established supply chain, and sound engineering practices already.

To put it another way, the right tension includes a safety factor. And engineering practice specifies testing and inspection and proven materials.

Re: Smartbolts

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I’m a mechanical engineer - smartbolts are cool but rarely used in my experience. Much more commonly used are DTI washers: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_tension_indicator Due to the washer style can be used with a wide range of fasteners. The most common type, in my experience, due to the ease of use, has a little bit of colored goo inside the arched cells. The goo squirts out when the specified torque is re…

The bolts I worry most about coming off are this in my car wheels. I’m not sure I could use washers there and they are recessed in the rim so the gap isn’t inspectable. That seems to be the biggest benefit of these, that the only part of a bolt that is always inspectable/servicable is the top and that’s where the indication is?

Re: Smartbolts

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Wait I didn’t read anything about requiring a subscription to a cloud service before I can tighten the bolt. Nor how my phone will be involved in the process. And no blockchain?

This isn’t “Smart” as I have understood we define it now.

Re: Smartbolts

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I think the bolts listed in the article are less expensive than self-sealing stem bolts.

They're "contact us for pricing" which basically means you can't afford them.

try The Noh-Jay Consortium. Nothing can be built without bolts.

Re: Smartbolts

#118
This is a bad name. The word "smart" implies the bolt can connect to my phone via bluetooth and I can download an app that will tell me the status of the bolt.

Re: Smartbolts

#119
post #3

I’m a mechanical engineer - smartbolts are cool but rarely used in my experience. Much more commonly used are DTI washers: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_tension_indicator Due to the washer style can be used with a wide range of fasteners. The most common type, in my experience, due to the ease of use, has a little bit of colored goo inside the arched cells. The goo squirts out when the specified torque is re…

The bolts I worry most about coming off are this in my car wheels. I’m not sure I could use washers there and they are recessed in the rim so the gap isn’t inspectable. That seems to be the biggest benefit of these, that the only part of a bolt that is always inspectable/servicable is the top and that’s where the indication is?

If it worries you, buy a good torque wrench, look up the torque rating for your vehicles lug nuts and check it yourself.

That’s what I did after some garage monkey messed up my wheels.

Re: Smartbolts

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Smartbolts seem to be useful in applications where there is an expectation the bolts will loosen over time/the maintenance lifetime, reducing/easing inspection time. Similar to the tell-tales used on truck lug nuts: https://www.dealsonwheels.co.nz/trucks/features/1302/new-tyr...

Installing to a known torque and painting a line on the fastener is a lot less expensive, which becomes important when your project has potentially tens of thousands of key fasteners, like a bridge. But for something like an MRI machine where there’s fewer fasteners and higher stakes - would make a lot of sense to use Smartbolt I think. Tangential: related to trucks, there is a somewhat similar product to easily moni…

> painting a line

what if the bolt doesn't actually turn any, but the material itself stretches and loses tension?

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