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Re: United States IPv6 adoption over 50%

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Just don’t want it forced on me and by its nature it becomes a hard dependency over time, thus, it does. I’m not interested in another argument but calling my position “pitchforks” is a bit disengenuous and irritating (which is why I’m replying, off-topic, to you). While I think it has something to offer I would like potentially better alternatives to be able to exist in future, this is not “pitchforks”.

>Just don’t want it forced on me and by its nature it becomes a hard dependency over time, thus, it does. systemd is the choice of basically everyone who builds distros, so of course it's going to be hard to avoid unless you volunteer to do all of that work yourself. When you take work from someone else, that comes with taking on the choices that they make.

Don’t let this descend into another systemd thread. Just don’t lump all criticism against systemd as pitchforks, since it delegitimises complaints.

What you state is absolutely true, but denying there’s more nuance is not helpful. That’s all I’ll say because this is not a worthwhile conversation to have here.

Re: United States IPv6 adoption over 50%

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About 5 years ago, I asked the owner of my fixed wireless ISP if he was planning to support IPv6 and I received a 500 word email rant about the uselessness of v6. I haven't asked again. (I still get a 0/10 score at https://test-ipv6.com/ )

There is a lot of cultural inertia that instantly biases against anything new in sysadmin/netadmin circles. It's super annoying, tbh. A subset of technologists only seem comfortable with the technology that was available when they were 18-24, regardless of how old they get. "What's this? I never needed it before, what's the sysctl to turn it off?"

"Our sires' age was worse than our grandsires'. We, their sons, are more worthless than they; so in our turn we shall give the world a progeny yet more corrupt."

Horace Odes, III 65BCE

Re: United States IPv6 adoption over 50%

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I wish my fiber ISP was part of that 50%. But nope, here I am behind a CGNAT and was promised IPv6 adoption about a year ago. Unfortunately the only other options in my area (downtown Milwaukee) are some form of wireless, DSL, or Spectrum. Don't get me wrong, even though my speeds are only about 50% of spec (gigabit symmetric), the upload speed alone is a reason to avoid any other provider. I'm also paying about $25/…

So my italian ISP, gives me FTTH, 1gb/s down , 300mb/s up but has 10/10 for ipv6 https://i.imgur.com/lhz4RJy.png I would rather have 700mb/s more for upload than ipv6 to be honest (only thing I also have public/static ipv4, so maybe that I wouldn't give up ^^)

You get different speeds for IPv6…? Whatever’s going on internally there has to be a mess of old and new software and hardware.

Re: United States IPv6 adoption over 50%

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Am I the only one that hates IPv6 ergonomics? I have to transcribe IPv4 addresses all the time, I'd hate to try and do it with a 128 bit address. Could they not have gone with 64 bit addresses, was 18,446,744,073,709,551,615 addresses really not enough?

There are plenty of reasons to dislike IPv6 that are much less shallow. Like, it's overcomplicated, not backwards compatible, doesn't actually solve the NAT problems for home users because of how ISPs work in the real world, etc.

The problem is that IPv4 is not forward-compatible and not that IPv6 is not backward compatible. There are things that map every IPv4 address to a IPv6 address, so from the IPv6-side it is backwards compatible.

Re: United States IPv6 adoption over 50%

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About 5 years ago, I asked the owner of my fixed wireless ISP if he was planning to support IPv6 and I received a 500 word email rant about the uselessness of v6. I haven't asked again. (I still get a 0/10 score at https://test-ipv6.com/ )

I have checked it many times before and score was reliably 0/10 before. Seeing your comment I decided to check it out on this site and guess what today score is 9/10.

Re: United States IPv6 adoption over 50%

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So my italian ISP, gives me FTTH, 1gb/s down , 300mb/s up but has 10/10 for ipv6 https://i.imgur.com/lhz4RJy.png I would rather have 700mb/s more for upload than ipv6 to be honest (only thing I also have public/static ipv4, so maybe that I wouldn't give up ^^)

You get different speeds for IPv6…? Whatever’s going on internally there has to be a mess of old and new software and hardware.

Nah, just not bothering to set up IPv6 peering sessions.

Re: United States IPv6 adoption over 50%

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There is a lot of cultural inertia that instantly biases against anything old and stable in developer circles. It's super annoying, tbh. A subset of developers only seem comfortable with technology invented in the past 18-24 months, regardless of how untested and unstable it is. “What's this? It was written 2 years ago? It must be old and useless. I’m going to require my app to use the latest version and I don’t care…

One developer's "old and stable" is another developer's "filled with vulnerabilities that nobody will ever find let alone bother to fix because everyone assumes it's old and stable." IPv6 has been a draft standard since 1998. Get a better argument.

What other things we use daily are "draft standards"?
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