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Re: United States IPv6 adoption over 50%

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Post by Gigachad »

sneak wrote: post #10
vidanay wrote: post #8

About 5 years ago, I asked the owner of my fixed wireless ISP if he was planning to support IPv6 and I received a 500 word email rant about the uselessness of v6. I haven't asked again. (I still get a 0/10 score at https://test-ipv6.com/ )

There is a lot of cultural inertia that instantly biases against anything new in sysadmin/netadmin circles. It's super annoying, tbh. A subset of technologists only seem comfortable with the technology that was available when they were 18-24, regardless of how old they get. "What's this? I never needed it before, what's the sysctl to turn it off?"

Reminds me of how people would get angry when you suggest a site should switch to HTTPS and people would demand you prove why it would be worth it rather than just doing it anyway since it's free and easy. Glad we have mostly moved past that.

Re: United States IPv6 adoption over 50%

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Post by Gigachad »

dijit wrote: post #48
zorked wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just witness the pitchfork army whenever systemd is mentioned.

Just don’t want it forced on me and by its nature it becomes a hard dependency over time, thus, it does. I’m not interested in another argument but calling my position “pitchforks” is a bit disengenuous and irritating (which is why I’m replying, off-topic, to you). While I think it has something to offer I would like potentially better alternatives to be able to exist in future, this is not “pitchforks”.

>Just don’t want it forced on me and by its nature it becomes a hard dependency over time, thus, it does.

systemd is the choice of basically everyone who builds distros, so of course it's going to be hard to avoid unless you volunteer to do all of that work yourself. When you take work from someone else, that comes with taking on the choices that they make.

Re: United States IPv6 adoption over 50%

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

scoopertrooper wrote: post #14

Am I the only one that hates IPv6 ergonomics? I have to transcribe IPv4 addresses all the time, I'd hate to try and do it with a 128 bit address. Could they not have gone with 64 bit addresses, was 18,446,744,073,709,551,615 addresses really not enough?

There are plenty of reasons to dislike IPv6 that are much less shallow. Like, it's overcomplicated, not backwards compatible, doesn't actually solve the NAT problems for home users because of how ISPs work in the real world, etc.

Re: United States IPv6 adoption over 50%

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Post by Gigachad »

ericj5 wrote: post #15

we only need to get to 70% adoption before the rest of us get it via herd immunity. won’t be long now

At some %, some people will opt for cheaper v6 only VPSs. Perhaps hosting in countries starved of addresses will switch to v6 only as well. Or all v4 addresses will get given to servers and all consumers will be on some translation layer.

Re: United States IPv6 adoption over 50%

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Post by keithnz »

dmitshur wrote: post #36
scoopertrooper wrote: post #14

Am I the only one that hates IPv6 ergonomics? I have to transcribe IPv4 addresses all the time, I'd hate to try and do it with a 128 bit address. Could they not have gone with 64 bit addresses, was 18,446,744,073,709,551,615 addresses really not enough?

If https://apenwarr.ca/log/20110328 is still current, you’re not the only one.

actually, reading through his various different articles is quite interesting.

This one probably is the best

"The world in which IPv6 was a good design" https://apenwarr.ca/log/20170810

Re: United States IPv6 adoption over 50%

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Post by notreallyserio »

sneak wrote: post #10
vidanay wrote: post #8

About 5 years ago, I asked the owner of my fixed wireless ISP if he was planning to support IPv6 and I received a 500 word email rant about the uselessness of v6. I haven't asked again. (I still get a 0/10 score at https://test-ipv6.com/ )

There is a lot of cultural inertia that instantly biases against anything new in sysadmin/netadmin circles. It's super annoying, tbh. A subset of technologists only seem comfortable with the technology that was available when they were 18-24, regardless of how old they get. "What's this? I never needed it before, what's the sysctl to turn it off?"

> "What's this? I never needed it before, what's the sysctl to turn it off?"

Of course, turning off IPv6 fixed a lot of connectivity issues, at least back in the day. Maybe it's better now, but I see no benefit in re-enabling it. What's the value-add?

Re: United States IPv6 adoption over 50%

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Post by syshum »

Latty wrote: post #42
dmitshur wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If https://apenwarr.ca/log/20110328 is still current, you’re not the only one.

That article was really very optimistic about NAT traversal, while being very pessimistic about solutions to avoiding memorising IP addresses, which I think says something about their perspective going in. NAT is a nightmare that has directly lead to the crappy world of every "IoT" device relying on some remote service that can shut down any time, instead of just... connecting to your device. Also every game having c…

NAT not being designed for security does not negate the effect of security it does have. This goes to the 80/20 rule, IPv6 is a security nightmare if not deployed correctly, and I am surprised more home users have not gotten hit with this security time bomb

Re: United States IPv6 adoption over 50%

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Post by sliken »

vidanay wrote: post #8

About 5 years ago, I asked the owner of my fixed wireless ISP if he was planning to support IPv6 and I received a 500 word email rant about the uselessness of v6. I haven't asked again. (I still get a 0/10 score at https://test-ipv6.com/ )

Heh, well of course, if you have enough IPv4, there's not much IPv6 does for you.

However if your a normal consumer with a single network visible IP (if that), it's REALLY useful. I've got a /60 (16 /64s'), and I have one per port on my router and it's quite nice to be able to get to anything inside my home network from anywhere on the internet. Filesharing, monitoring home automation, opening/closing my garage door, etc.

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