Live data from Hacker News

Newsfeed for Crypto/DeFi Scams

rekt.news

21–30 of 48 posts

Re: Newsfeed for Crypto/DeFi Scams

#21
post #16
post #12

Side note but I wish hacketnews wasn’t always so anti-crypto. Makes it a pretty depressing forum for those of us working in the space earnestly

Earnestly for what? What problem can it solve that a central database can't? Half the scams I've seen are stopped because a central 3rd party (like OpenSea) refuses to deal in the "stolen" property. At which point, there's no decentralisation. Look, I'm pro-decentralisation and pro-cryptography. But no one working in your space has built anything which has convinced me you're on to something brilliant. I hope I'm wro…

To be fair to OP, your mind appears to be made up, and you can probably admit that, if youre honest with yourself, you don't earnestly look into the field much, right?

Re: Newsfeed for Crypto/DeFi Scams

#22
post #17
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Earnestly for what? What problem can it solve that a central database can't? Half the scams I've seen are stopped because a central 3rd party (like OpenSea) refuses to deal in the "stolen" property. At which point, there's no decentralisation. Look, I'm pro-decentralisation and pro-cryptography. But no one working in your space has built anything which has convinced me you're on to something brilliant. I hope I'm wro…

Some of us just like to work on distributed systems, formal methods, compilers, etc… I’m skeptical about the whole thing and so are many colleagues I’ve worked with but the technical challenges are interesting.

You should work on actual problems, then not only will the technical challenges be interesting, but the result delivery and client satisfaction challenge will be too !!

Don't you dream of doing work that people actually use ?

Re: Newsfeed for Crypto/DeFi Scams

#23
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Earnestly for what? What problem can it solve that a central database can't? Half the scams I've seen are stopped because a central 3rd party (like OpenSea) refuses to deal in the "stolen" property. At which point, there's no decentralisation. Look, I'm pro-decentralisation and pro-cryptography. But no one working in your space has built anything which has convinced me you're on to something brilliant. I hope I'm wro…

To be fair to OP, your mind appears to be made up, and you can probably admit that, if youre honest with yourself, you don't earnestly look into the field much, right?

I'm cyrrently studying for a Certified Blockchain Professional exam - see https://shkspr.mobi/blog/tag/certified-blockchain-profession...

My mind isn't made up. But I'm struggling to find use cases which fit the Blockchain model.

Re: Newsfeed for Crypto/DeFi Scams

#24
post #18
post #12

Side note but I wish hacketnews wasn’t always so anti-crypto. Makes it a pretty depressing forum for those of us working in the space earnestly

I'm not anti-crypto per-se and my guess is most people like me aren't opposed to the ideas behind it but the reality is there is massive fraud(-adjacent) stuff happening and while some of the ideas might be ethically noble, most of them aren't. The result being (for me at least) that skepticism is best.

Scepticism is fine but is pointing out bugs in crypto really so interesting 10% of the top page is almost always related to that topic?

Re: Newsfeed for Crypto/DeFi Scams

#25
post #24
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not anti-crypto per-se and my guess is most people like me aren't opposed to the ideas behind it but the reality is there is massive fraud(-adjacent) stuff happening and while some of the ideas might be ethically noble, most of them aren't. The result being (for me at least) that skepticism is best.

Scepticism is fine but is pointing out bugs in crypto really so interesting 10% of the top page is almost always related to that topic?

https://rekt.news articles dive into most hacks to describes how the relevant contracts/crypto/logic works, what's the suspect code, and which parts in the architecture were abused. This is on-brand for "Hacker News" and intellectually stimulating.

But this submission got nuked. It went to #4 in an hour, and then disappeared. Maybe we need decentralized HN!

Re: Newsfeed for Crypto/DeFi Scams

#26
post #20
post #12

Side note but I wish hacketnews wasn’t always so anti-crypto. Makes it a pretty depressing forum for those of us working in the space earnestly

Sorry milord, continue working earnestly a little bit more before we have to bow and kiss your golden moonshaped shoes. What do you guys work on all day long ? How to convert a DOGE to USDT to BTC then to a bored ape NFT looking to the right ? Hope you dont work at SafeMoon or other such "project" you guys call "crypto" because there's 1 hash function somewhere and one key elsewhere :p

> Sorry milord, continue working earnestly a little bit more before we have to bow and kiss your golden moonshaped shoes.

You see, this is the issue I have. This is just twattish behaviour.

> What do you guys work on all day long?

Pretty interesting problems. In the last year or two I've worked with some of the founding designers of Haskell on compiler profiling. I've heard from Leslie Lamport on using TLA+ to formally prove consensus algorithms. I profiled worst-case-performance of cloud infrastructure across the world. Stephen Wolfram and Vint Cerf gave internal talks to us at monthly learning sessions. I've written systems code in Rust, Haskell, Golang, F#, and multiple other 'cool' languages. I got to ask the guy who introduced monads to functional programming wtf is a monad? I spoke to SPJ about programming. Been taught property-based testing by the creator of QuickCheck. Etc... It's a really cool space if you like tech with some great minds in it.

Re: Newsfeed for Crypto/DeFi Scams

#27

Smart contracts are a pile of money exposed directly to the internet with no firewall in the way. And no recourse when things inevitably go pear shaped. They’re somewhere between self funding bug bounties and just straight up honeypots. It’s interesting the folks with piholes and boobie trapped routers are the first to get behind this idea.

> the folks with piholes and boobie trapped routers

That and the safari crowd with closed-source paid adblockers

Re: Newsfeed for Crypto/DeFi Scams

#28
post #16
post #12

Side note but I wish hacketnews wasn’t always so anti-crypto. Makes it a pretty depressing forum for those of us working in the space earnestly

Earnestly for what? What problem can it solve that a central database can't? Half the scams I've seen are stopped because a central 3rd party (like OpenSea) refuses to deal in the "stolen" property. At which point, there's no decentralisation. Look, I'm pro-decentralisation and pro-cryptography. But no one working in your space has built anything which has convinced me you're on to something brilliant. I hope I'm wro…

[deleted]

Re: Newsfeed for Crypto/DeFi Scams

#29
post #22
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some of us just like to work on distributed systems, formal methods, compilers, etc… I’m skeptical about the whole thing and so are many colleagues I’ve worked with but the technical challenges are interesting.

You should work on actual problems, then not only will the technical challenges be interesting, but the result delivery and client satisfaction challenge will be too !! Don't you dream of doing work that people actually use ?

I donate a lot of money to charity (>10% a year) - that’s my way of having an impact. If I can make that money working on cool tech problems and without scamming people then I am very happy. If the tech also becomes useful then that’s awesome, that’s just added to the upside. If it doesn’t, well I’ve done a lot more good with my career than if I took a lower paying job to make some web app slightly more performant for people to buy sweaters.

Re: Newsfeed for Crypto/DeFi Scams

#30

Smart contracts are a pile of money exposed directly to the internet with no firewall in the way. And no recourse when things inevitably go pear shaped. They’re somewhere between self funding bug bounties and just straight up honeypots. It’s interesting the folks with piholes and boobie trapped routers are the first to get behind this idea.

> Smart contracts are a pile of money exposed directly to the internet with no firewall in the way. And no recourse when things inevitably go pear shaped.

When you say it like that, it sounds like you're poking fun at the stupidity of defi and cryptocurrencies in general.

But what if there were public contracts, with billions of dollars locked in them, with no firewalls, essentially a huge self funded bug bounty, widely publicized, running for literally years, and it... just works as intended?

You probably still wouldn't like it because it doesn't fit your mental model of how security should work.

But if years go by and any of it keeps working despite the massive bug bounties, people will build on the stuff that works. 90% of smart contracts can fail, as long as knowledge is gained and confidence goes up in the 10% that are left. The contracts are composable, so if something works, you can reuse it in a trusted way. After all, anything with billion dollar bounties that survived this long must be pretty strong.

The contracts provide a feature that you can't get anywhere else: trustless decentralized computing. The "pile of money exposed directly to the internet" is actually a feature that tests trust.

It might not seem like a big deal to you, but for banks or funds or nations or anyone with very large sums of money, the ability to withdraw/transfer/borrow/lend with no possible downtime or fraud is extremely appealing.

With all the billions being thrown at this problem, I don't see how smart contracts could fail.

> when things inevitably go pear shaped

If you really believe all of these contracts will inevitably go pear shaped, are the billions not enough incentive for you to go find the bugs yourself?

> It’s interesting the folks with piholes and boobie trapped routers are the first to get behind this idea.

Yes, these people are called "early adopters". They're excited by new technologies, even when they involve risk. You should try it sometime.

Post reply on HN