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Noah then formed a new startup; Olo, a white label delivery platform for restaurants. It’s publicly-traded and worth $3B! https://www.olo.com/ https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/olo/

He made it out! You made my day. Nah. My month! The backstabbing and minimizing and rewriting of history that happened with him and Twitter is such a trigger for me lol. Edit: Unfortunately, that’s a different Noah Glass. Olo was founded in 2005. Noah was working for Odeo in 2005-2006. We can only imagine what the other cofounders would’ve done to Olo based on how he was thrown out of Odeo/Twitter.

Oh no! It’s actually not the same Noah Glass, even though I’ve thought so for years, damn.

Thanks for pointing that out.

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All of the value of Yahoo was in the bits they could sell off. Yang did that right. That makes him a good/lucky investor. It doesn’t make him (or Filo) someone who gets it.

> It doesn’t make him (or Filo) someone who gets it. I don’t know what this means. If “gets it” means “capable of growing a $40 billion company “, then the set of people who “get it” seems exceedingly small.

No it isn't really about money, but about having an instinct for products, users, quality, and which opportunities are important and which are not. Have those in place and financial success will eventually follow.

This doesn't mean it is easily achievable. It certainly isn't. The distinction lies in not being delusional about how the important customers see you. And Yahoo was, for most of the time I paid attention, horribly delusional.

If we're going to focus on financial success it is important to use the correct measuring stick. You have to look at the delta between the potential and the actual value realized. Conservatively, the potential for Yahoo was at least an order of magnitude higher than the peak value. It had money, it had the biggest email service in the world, it had lots of eyeballs, it owned a good chunk of the world's web search talent, it even owned certain key advertising patents.

And it managed to squander every single one of those advantages - without exception. It was fucking painful to watch and even more painful to be part of it. At least until I decided to leave because none of the products I cared about were actually good enough that I'd use them myself.

I remember one afternoon when I was trying to figure out a shortcoming in a Yahoo product - one of the five or so products featured prominently on the front page. I asked around who I should talk to and eventually I realized that the product had zero developers - they had all been absorbed into a team that was working on something entirely different. When poking around I was told that "the CEO uses the product and thinks it is fine - so it is done. There is no need for developers or any further development". This was Yahoo Calendar. If you think back to the early 2000s, calendar was the unsolved piece of the replace-Microsoft-Office problem. Calendar was strategically important for defending the email position. And they didn't even understand that. They had zero strategic understanding of the space their products were competing in. Of course they lost the position. As anyone who paid attention knew they would.

The peak value of Yahoo was only that high to begin with because of very fortunate investments early on. Not because they actually knew how to do products. They had no idea how to build product. Be it search, email, or advertising platform. Not for lack of technical talent, but due to grossly incompetent leadership and an organization stuffed chock-full of useless middle managers.

Yahoo had the potential. But not the leadership to realize it.

Also, keep in mind that Yahoo itself had a negative valuation at one point - it was worth less than the value of its assets.

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Great little book, had it recommended to me by a fantastic music teacher of mine in graduate school.

Genuinely interested in hearing what other people get out of it. I couldn't get past Carse's overwrought use of chiasmus. After finally reaching the end, he places a coy little phrase which falls flat because he spilled the beans 66 sections earlier and it irks me to this day.

I agree that the prose and structure is not the strong point.

I appreciated it for giving a clearly articulated alternative to zero sum competitive games. It helped me think about the playfulness of cooperative creativity in a new more holistic way, as well as the idea that it’s worth doing things that you’ll never reach an end of.

I don’t doubt that if I read it again I’d share your criticisms though, it’s a thin volume with a very sweet idea at the core of it, at the end of the day.

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I've seen a few new photo hosting applications creep up now and then in recent HN threads like this, but none have really hit the spot for me. I take photos as a hobby, nothing too serious, mainly if the weather is nice or we're on vacation. I have a Fujifilm X100F and an old Canon DSLR. I rarely use my Canon. Fuji strikes a perfect balance between on-camera processing (film simulations), quality and mainly size - th…

> What I really want is something that allows me to do everything. > I refuse to pay…

I refuse to pay for lightroom. I'd consider their fees if it gave me all I wish :) As it stands now it's software that offers you nothing for a subscription.
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