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Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter

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Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter

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Post by supertestnet »

r721 wrote: post #7

>If spam is a concern for a relay, it can require payment for publication or some other form of authentication, such as an email address or phone, and associate these internally with a pubkey that then gets to publish to that relay — or other anti-spam techniques, like hashcash or captchas. Sounds like these anti-spam measures are not actually implemented yet.

Correct. Spam is not a problem yet because nostr is super new and no one uses it yet. But a few friendly bots have been released for it (since it's very bot-dev friendly) and DMs are open by default (and the branle client has no way to close them) so spam is basically guaranteed to come eventually.

Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter

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Post by supertestnet »

Ambolia wrote: post #74
didibus wrote: post #69

So there's no like/dislike? No retweet? And posts are simply chronological? Is there still a text length limit? How does it handle a relay tempering with the content of posts or altering the meta-data? Or a relay who'd be sending out fake posts?

>So there's no like/dislike? No retweet? Yes, that's interesting. You don't want to replicate the addictive part of Twitter but you need at least to replicate some of the network effects. There should be at least the possibility to reply to posts, so if you follow a guy regarding a topic you can find what other people interested in that topic think somehow.

You can reply to posts. Retweets and likes are not yet supported but they should be easy -- likes can be a reply with just a heart emoji and clients then display those via a counter. Retweets will probably be a new message that contains a link to a prior message and clients will then display it in a twitter-esque manner.

Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter

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Post by riffic »

swalsh wrote: post #40
riffic wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How do you get the majority of people to switch to something like this? This is really the wrong focus. Everyone should be focused on how to "mainstream" this in the minds of content creators, organizations, institutions, and media. The audience will find these subjects because they have a certain gravity to attract followers. This is why, in my mind, if the federated open web wants to "succeed" (spoilers, it hasn'…

Focus on small communities, not lots of large communities.

I mean, that's valid as well. Each "influencer" or "big account" on existing services is in a way its own community.

Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter

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Post by darthrupert »

endymi0n wrote: post #15

I used to be a huge fan of censorship resistance, freedom and privacy, but I didn‘t appreciate just how much self-selection there was in the kinds of people who went to great lengths to access IRC in the times of dial-up modems. These days, I have the feeling there are only two kinds of platforms left: The clean ones with strong moderation, where any form of edginess and possibly controversial topics including breast…

I'm like you except I've reached a clarity: the Internet and anonymity destroyed free speech and it's now dead as an ideal.

Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter

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Post by supertestnet »

Ambolia wrote: post #77
didibus wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Author signs every post with their key So the client does the verification? Or is it the relay? Also, I didn't mean impersonating a specific author, I meant generating posts that no one truly posted to it. So when your client lists the chronological most recent posts you get a bunch of fake manipulated content that was mass generated by the relay itself for example.

As far as I can see you subscribe to specific authors, not to a global feed on the relay, an the author is identified by their cryptographic key. Not sure how it allows you to find new people or responses to comments. Seems like it should be a key part.

Peer discovery and peer suggestions are not implemented yet. People have been posting their public keys on twitter etc. There is a proposal for encoding a set of followers/followed in a message which your followers' clients can then use to display info about that on your profile. That should help with peer discovery once someone codes it up. You can also find threads that people are widely commenting on (e.g. someone might post a nostr thread on twitter) and follow people who post in those threads.

Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter

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Post by antris »

amadeuspagel wrote: post #72
antris wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The people who cry about censorship on big platforms are people who want to access the audience. They aren't crying for the censorship itself (they usually love when people with opposing views get banned), they are just using that word to complain about them losing an audience. Setting up a personal website doesn't meet that goal, and probably a thing like this doesn't either. Most of the nazis etc. are quite miserab…

It's sad, but not surprising, to see a question about how two protocols compare answered with insinuations about "people who cry about censorship", who supposedly "love when people with opposing views get banned". Any discussion of censorship-resistant technology seems to attract people who just love censorship, and hate anyone who doesn't, and it's not enough for them to express these views in a top-level comment, t…

If pointing out that having an audience is a central need for people who use social media, makes me "love censorship", then you are delusional.

Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter

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Post by amadeuspagel »

antris wrote: post #86
amadeuspagel wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's sad, but not surprising, to see a question about how two protocols compare answered with insinuations about "people who cry about censorship", who supposedly "love when people with opposing views get banned". Any discussion of censorship-resistant technology seems to attract people who just love censorship, and hate anyone who doesn't, and it's not enough for them to express these views in a top-level comment, t…

If pointing out that having an audience is a central need for people who use social media, makes me "love censorship", then you are delusional.

What makes you "love censorship" is making insinuations about anyone who "crys about censorship".

As you yourself pointed out, neither RSS nor nostr do anything to help people find an audience, so this is completely irrelevant to the question of how these things compare.

Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter

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Post by TheGigaChad »

krapp wrote: post #37
logic_beats_pro wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>We need to realize our problem is not with censoring people, it's with who does the censoring. No, the problem is with censoring people. You make it seem like censorship is a given. I disagree and feel no need to have a third party prune unwanted ideas for me. This will seem like a strange idea for some but I don't need a priest in between myself and God. I don't need a doctor in between myself and good health. Why…

So you don't want doctors (or presumably any form of expertise,) or governments, or corporations. Just you and your brain thinkin' thinks. I'm wondering where exactly you think all of this "information" you would be digesting would be coming from, absent the "censorship" of structures and systems needed to collect, validate and disseminate it? Good luck reconstructing the last 8000 years of human progress and knowled…

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Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter

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Post by swalsh »

makeworld wrote: post #29
Cameri wrote: post #3

I'm using branle ( https://branle.fiatjaf.com/ ) as my client and you can follow me with my pubkey: 22e804d26ed16b68db5259e78449e96dab5d464c8f470bda3eb1a70467f2c793. You can find my pubring on my bio after following me. There's no ability to discover others at this time! Nostr relay registry hosted here ( https://nostr-registry.netlify.app ) by fiatjaf. Exciting times!

If ed25519 was used instead of secp256k1, wouldn't pubkeys be shorter? Like SSB.

One of the neat things about the way they've done it, is you can use a bitcoin wallet to connect: https://twitter.com/Bumi/status/1476957006653276170
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