So a platform whose where any idiot can spout any garbage and they feel expressly empowered to do so? No thanks. Granted, there seems to be no censorship on Hacker News. :thinking:
You just deacribed Twitter...
Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter
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Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter
#62So a platform whose where any idiot can spout any garbage and they feel expressly empowered to do so? No thanks. Granted, there seems to be no censorship on Hacker News. :thinking:
> there seems to be no censorship on Hacker News https://jcs.org/2012/06/13/hellbanned_from_hacker_news
Ah, thanks, I wasn't sure there was any moderation on here.
That's a good thing in general, though I suppose the example cited is an example of moderation most of us would consider poor or undesirable.
Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter
#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
>We need to realize our problem is not with censoring people, it's with who does the censoring. No, the problem is with censoring people. You make it seem like censorship is a given. I disagree and feel no need to have a third party prune unwanted ideas for me. This will seem like a strange idea for some but I don't need a priest in between myself and God. I don't need a doctor in between myself and good health. Why…
This is a really sophomoric take.
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Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter
#64... congrats on reinventing Usenet?
Yup. Cryptographically signed Usenet, so spamming requires the overhead of creating a new identity per... something. Unfortunately, creating a new identity is still effectively free, so spamming will exist.
Social problems need to be solved by social arrangements and supported by technical tooling.
Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter
#65I'm using branle ( https://branle.fiatjaf.com/ ) as my client and you can follow me with my pubkey: 22e804d26ed16b68db5259e78449e96dab5d464c8f470bda3eb1a70467f2c793. You can find my pubring on my bio after following me. There's no ability to discover others at this time! Nostr relay registry hosted here ( https://nostr-registry.netlify.app ) by fiatjaf. Exciting times!
> I'm using branle ( https://branle.fiatjaf.com/ ) as my client and you can follow me with my pubkey: 22e804d26ed16b68db5259e78449e96dab5d464c8f470bda3eb1a70467f2c793. It isn't too hard to improve upon the status quo in various ways when you just drop a key usability requirement (in this case, the need for human-memorable 'handles'). It is worth reading 'Why Johnny Can't Encrypt' (1999) [0], 'Why Johnny Still Can't E…
YJCE identified a lack of usable concepts as the root problem. Human-memorable 'handles' actually make things worse in that they add in another concept that the user has to learn about and understand. The idea that the ridiculously large number represents a human identity is very easy to comprehend and the user can not avoid contact with that number in a system like this. The number is the identity.
Usability and convenience are two different things. A system that is difficult to use might be easily understood by the user and vice versa.
Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter
#66I like the intent of these types of projects but a serious question I have is: How do you get the majority of people to switch to something like this? There are many examples but the most recent ones that come to mind are people trying to get their friends to use Murmur/Mumble instead of Discord with basically near-zero success. I've seen this in a few gaming forums. Anyone attempting this is basically laughed off th…
You don't get the majority to switch. You get small interesting niches.
Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter
#67Banning people is an upside. Setting boundaries of acceptable behaviour is necessary for having a space where people won't be troll-brigaded and hate-swarmed, and where the worst people on the internet don't drive out everyone else.
exactly. when I see "censorship-resistant," I hear "we don't have a way to control abuse on this platform."
Or "this platform was explicitly designed to host abusers".
Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter
#68I used to be a huge fan of censorship resistance, freedom and privacy, but I didn‘t appreciate just how much self-selection there was in the kinds of people who went to great lengths to access IRC in the times of dial-up modems. These days, I have the feeling there are only two kinds of platforms left: The clean ones with strong moderation, where any form of edginess and possibly controversial topics including breast…
I can appreciate censorship if I thought the authorities and experts had any idea what they were doing. I don't think that's the case anywhere at this moment. Seems a good time to create new alternative spaces.
Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter
#69So there's no like/dislike? No retweet? And posts are simply chronological? Is there still a text length limit?
How does it handle a relay tempering with the content of posts or altering the meta-data? Or a relay who'd be sending out fake posts?
Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter
#70Banning people is an upside. Setting boundaries of acceptable behaviour is necessary for having a space where people won't be troll-brigaded and hate-swarmed, and where the worst people on the internet don't drive out everyone else.
That's fine, nobody is taking Facebook and Twitter away if you enjoy those, just opening up new spaces.