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Re: Self-Hosting Dozens of Web Applications and Services on a Single Server

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Post by ketzu »

goodpoint wrote: post #37
progx wrote: post #13

Easy setup with: - traefik (nginx proxy with auto letscencrypt) - portainer (docker container management) - fail2ban (basic security) - logwatch (server / security stats by mail) - munin (server stats) - restic (cloud backup) - unattended-upgrades (auto install security updates) - apticron (weekly info) - n8n (automatisation for e.g. quick info via telegram, if something not work) Run every app that you want in your…

easy ? Is this sarcasm?

As someone running something similar, I thought it was quite easy when I first set it up: I used the similar setup of a friend as a baseline to get through the configuration. It took about 1 hour to setup the base things to have the infrastructure running.

It sounds more complicated than it is.

Re: Self-Hosting Dozens of Web Applications and Services on a Single Server

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Post by southerntofu »

est31 wrote: post #31
lucb1e wrote: post #21

I wonder what the environmental impact of a 24/7 running system with such high-end specs is. Desktops are worse with a graphics card (just yesterday I noticed my system's power consumption doubles when the GPU turns on: 20W with 100% CPU on all cores and WiFi stressed; 37W with additionally primusrun glxgears running), but desktops only run on demand. Dedicated non-mobile hardware doesn't scale to demand that well an…

From what I saw, both Intel and AMD are trying to adopt hybrid CPUs that hopefully have a power consumption curve closer to M1 systems. So I hope that this improves in the future.

That's great, but from an ecological perspective, repurposing second-hand hardware will always have more benefits than producing new "green" hardware, as most of the energy spent across the lifecycle of a computer happens during production.

Buying a raspberry pi for selfhosting is certainly not greener than repurposing your old desktop/laptop. Although i have to admit the economic incentives are skewed due to foundries and global supply chains paying energy orders of magnitude cheaper than we pay our electricity.

Re: Self-Hosting Dozens of Web Applications and Services on a Single Server

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Post by southerntofu »

Gigachad wrote: post #23
lucb1e wrote: post #21

I wonder what the environmental impact of a 24/7 running system with such high-end specs is. Desktops are worse with a graphics card (just yesterday I noticed my system's power consumption doubles when the GPU turns on: 20W with 100% CPU on all cores and WiFi stressed; 37W with additionally primusrun glxgears running), but desktops only run on demand. Dedicated non-mobile hardware doesn't scale to demand that well an…

I briefly ran a home server on desktop grade hardware. Ryzen 5 with 2 hard drives. The thing was pulling a constant 70w while basically idle. Insanely inefficient compared to adding an extra user to an existing app/service.

Following this rationale, many people run small hosting coops from home, for example as part of the chatons.org or libreho.st federations. The author of the article even acknowledges they host some services for their sister and some other people.

That's a great way to mutualize resources (reduce waste) and at the same time is arguably much greener than datacenter/cloud services which require dedicated infrastructure (a great source of energy/pollution), and often have layers and layers of user tracking/profiling and detailed logging which consume great amounts of resources.

Re: Self-Hosting Dozens of Web Applications and Services on a Single Server

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Post by adflux »

progx wrote: post #13

Easy setup with: - traefik (nginx proxy with auto letscencrypt) - portainer (docker container management) - fail2ban (basic security) - logwatch (server / security stats by mail) - munin (server stats) - restic (cloud backup) - unattended-upgrades (auto install security updates) - apticron (weekly info) - n8n (automatisation for e.g. quick info via telegram, if something not work) Run every app that you want in your…

Wow so easy, only 9 different services. Then there's the underlying OS, managing hardware & network setup. Also need to make sure your network provider actually allows you to host (commercially?) in your own home. And ensuring that you have a static ip address for your server.

So easy :')

Re: Self-Hosting Dozens of Web Applications and Services on a Single Server

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Post by detaro »

Gigachad wrote: post #23
lucb1e wrote: post #21

I wonder what the environmental impact of a 24/7 running system with such high-end specs is. Desktops are worse with a graphics card (just yesterday I noticed my system's power consumption doubles when the GPU turns on: 20W with 100% CPU on all cores and WiFi stressed; 37W with additionally primusrun glxgears running), but desktops only run on demand. Dedicated non-mobile hardware doesn't scale to demand that well an…

I briefly ran a home server on desktop grade hardware. Ryzen 5 with 2 hard drives. The thing was pulling a constant 70w while basically idle. Insanely inefficient compared to adding an extra user to an existing app/service.

That sounds quite bad for "doing nothing", modern desktop class hardware can do quite a bit better than that.

Re: Self-Hosting Dozens of Web Applications and Services on a Single Server

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Post by Gigachad »

detaro wrote: post #55
Gigachad wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I briefly ran a home server on desktop grade hardware. Ryzen 5 with 2 hard drives. The thing was pulling a constant 70w while basically idle. Insanely inefficient compared to adding an extra user to an existing app/service.

That sounds quite bad for "doing nothing", modern desktop class hardware can do quite a bit better than that.

I had to stick a little GPU in it since there were no built in graphics and the machine refused to boot without a GPU. That would explain some of the power. The rest I assume went to the fans and hard drives.

Re: Self-Hosting Dozens of Web Applications and Services on a Single Server

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Post by southerntofu »

rapnie wrote: post #7

There's projects like Yunohost [0] and Freedombox [1] that aim to make all this easier for the average person. Interested to hear about more such software projects. [0] https://yunohost.org [1] https://freedombox.org

Another one is libreserver.org (formerly freedombone), whose blog is a treasure trove. To my knowledge, it's the only solution that supports Tor/I2P out of the box, and even has experimental branches (looking for testers) to support a local "mesh" setup.

These projects are amazing but if you're gonna use them, don't forget to do backups, especially if your system is hosted on a SD card (for example on a raspi).

I'm just a little sad there's no standard packaging format across those distros, although i've spoken with yunohost and libreserver maintainers in the past and they seemed somewhat interested in the topic!

Re: Self-Hosting Dozens of Web Applications and Services on a Single Server

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Post by PinguTS »

progx wrote: post #13

Easy setup with: - traefik (nginx proxy with auto letscencrypt) - portainer (docker container management) - fail2ban (basic security) - logwatch (server / security stats by mail) - munin (server stats) - restic (cloud backup) - unattended-upgrades (auto install security updates) - apticron (weekly info) - n8n (automatisation for e.g. quick info via telegram, if something not work) Run every app that you want in your…

Just to add one single point from my side:

• Backup is not to some cloud service, which I cannot control but done to a small server at home with a NAS attached in the basement.

• some smaller service during development I run simply from home from an small and old ALIX based on AMD Goede. Only probleme here, I need to upgrade at some point because some SSE2 instructions are not supported, which makes now problems with newer packeges including some self-compiled packages.

Re: Self-Hosting Dozens of Web Applications and Services on a Single Server

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Post by southerntofu »

fersarr wrote: post #14
js4ever wrote: post #2

I went the opposite direction, 1 vm per service. It's much easier to secure, backup, restore thanks to full isolation.

Me too. Yesterday I was trying to add a second app (3 docker-compose services) to one of my 5$/mo droplets and it started impacting and slowing down the other app. Debugging was harder too and could affect both... Perhaps at some point I'll try it again.

Sounds like your server may have been swapping? Disk IO is notoriously bad on most VPS so make sure to disable swap and setup oomkiller. In the case of a small VPS, containerization overhead is also not negligible: you may consider to setup everything natively (to your VM) to counteract that.

Re: Self-Hosting Dozens of Web Applications and Services on a Single Server

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Post by razemio »

kilroy123 wrote: post #25
progx wrote: post #13

Easy setup with: - traefik (nginx proxy with auto letscencrypt) - portainer (docker container management) - fail2ban (basic security) - logwatch (server / security stats by mail) - munin (server stats) - restic (cloud backup) - unattended-upgrades (auto install security updates) - apticron (weekly info) - n8n (automatisation for e.g. quick info via telegram, if something not work) Run every app that you want in your…

This is _very_ close to my exact setup. Though, I never used portainer (just manage a big docker-compose file) is it worth it?

If you are comfortable with the cli you won't need it at all. It over complicates things in my opinion.
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