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Re: iPhone camera app replaces person’s head with a leaf in photo

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Yeah, even your eyes don't reproduce reality perfectly but at that point it's just semantics. He means he wants to see his daughter the same way through the camera that he sees her through his eyes, in real life, otherwise known to him as "reality". I don't think it's unreasonable to allow context of the statement to allow us to disregard "reality" as it pertains to quantum wave functions, in favor of something more…

The amount of post-processing your brain does to make you believe you see far more than you actually do in far higher resolution than you do, whilst combining two 2D views into a pseudo-3D view, is incredible.

There's straight-up blank spots in our raw vision, we don't see ~any color at the edges, etc., and that's just the _start_ of what our eyes/brains elide out. Really crazy stuff.

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Hearing this and Steve Jobs’ critique of Microsoft, “they have no taste” is stunning. Taking the iPhone as the mass consumer computer, must mean that as a computing device the iPhone has very little taste… Which in a sense I can definitely see…

iPhones are definitely aimed at the more discerning, up-market customer. Android meanwhile is for the mass-market. iPhones have four levels of encryption designed to thwart the likes of the FBI trying to get data out of your confiscated phones. Androids have a checkbox tick that basically says "Encryption: Yes". iPhones have 1000-nit OLED HDR screens that are colour-managed and calibrated out of the box, and have Dol…

You aren't really comparing apples to apples here. Android is an open source operating system used by dozens of different hardware vendors. Crapware is only installed by some vendors. And iphone rarely has the best displays. They usually trade places with a few other Android vendors for best camera. As for security, iphone usually is the best. But it varies with different Android vendors in how well or how poorly they implement security.

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Yeah, even your eyes don't reproduce reality perfectly but at that point it's just semantics. He means he wants to see his daughter the same way through the camera that he sees her through his eyes, in real life, otherwise known to him as "reality". I don't think it's unreasonable to allow context of the statement to allow us to disregard "reality" as it pertains to quantum wave functions, in favor of something more…

As far as I understand the goal of using ML augmentation in camera phones is to capture what the eye sees. It's to compensate for the limitations of the hardware which on its own is not able to produce a true-to-eye result. You seem to be implying that the goal is to improve the photo to be better than reality but I don't think that's the case.

Right, but it can only guess at what the eye sees when hardware limitations don't allow it to capture enough information. Maybe most of the time it guesses right, but it's still a guess, and it appears sometimes it guesses wrong. Really wrong.

Re: iPhone camera app replaces person’s head with a leaf in photo

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I hate how much phones lately alters the images. Of course it most of the time makes the images look better, and cameras are a big selling point on a phone. But I don't like how my photos of people suddenly have a filter applied to the faces, how a picture of leaves during fall have vibrance exaggerated, how the sky looks clearer than it really did.

It's market unfortunately.

People want it, and they want their faces to look better than in reality, to post on Instagrams.

The phone that has better pictures got better sales.

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I sometimes hang out on mountainbike forums. A user posts that despite a new chain and setting up their rear derailleur according to instructions gear-changes are clunky or the chain skips when applying power on the pedals. The usual reply from the forum members is then to send a photo of the cassette since excessive wear there leads to these problems. This used to clearly show that the user needed to replace their w…

They need to offer an option for a "raw" image as they used to be called --which were minimally processed and were not compressed.

The problem with phone raws is that either:

1. They're not raw, they're aligned and merged and denoised and sharpened just like this iPhone photo (they're just linear so you can adjust white balance and recover shadows, working with them the way you could a real raw file)

or

2. They look like total garbage, noisy as heck and horribly soft, because the sensors are tiny and the lenses are simultaneously limited by diffraction and refractive error.

Re: iPhone camera app replaces person’s head with a leaf in photo

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It never has been accurate. Even on dumb traditional cameras, colors are more of an interpretation than a reality.

I don't know about this - RAW files are recordings of sensor values. Those sensor values are accurate of what light the sensor measured. Then the sensor values are converted to a JPEG. So it's still an accurate rendition of the light - even though yes, it is a rendition of the light. But to completely replace some sensor values with some computer-generated values is a different ballgame, IMO. It's more akin to Photos…

This is really splitting hairs, but even our eyes are interpretation of reality.

The camera sensor does not record the wavelengths of lights it is capturing, only RGB values. We can only reproduce the picture in a way that is convincing to our eyes, not what light what original being captured.

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iPhones are definitely aimed at the more discerning, up-market customer. Android meanwhile is for the mass-market. iPhones have four levels of encryption designed to thwart the likes of the FBI trying to get data out of your confiscated phones. Androids have a checkbox tick that basically says "Encryption: Yes". iPhones have 1000-nit OLED HDR screens that are colour-managed and calibrated out of the box, and have Dol…

You aren't really comparing apples to apples here. Android is an open source operating system used by dozens of different hardware vendors. Crapware is only installed by some vendors. And iphone rarely has the best displays. They usually trade places with a few other Android vendors for best camera. As for security, iphone usually is the best. But it varies with different Android vendors in how well or how poorly the…

The iPhone 13 literally has the best display currently available, and more importantly, it's colour managed correctly. It is manufactured by Samsung, and they use the same panel in their own flagship phone, but they don't colour-manage as well or as consistently, making the iPhone the overall winner in my book. Other Android manufacturers have markedly worse displays in every metric.

The fact that you don't appreciate this just reinforces my point: you don't happen to have "taste" in phone screens. That's okay! I have bad taste in cars, wine, sport, and a bunch of other stuff.

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iOS does

How do I get this? Sick of seeing oversaturated landscapes. Edit: why is this downvoted? honest question... I'm on iOS and didn't see anything in settings.

Lots of details here. [1] Basically, things changed when Apple released the iPhone 12. Earlier phones have regular RAW, and later phones have ProRAW, which is processed. It sounds like you can still get access to the regular RAW files on newer phones, but it's not simple.

1: https://nocamerabag.com/blog/shoot-raw-iphone

Re: iPhone camera app replaces person’s head with a leaf in photo

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iPhones are definitely aimed at the more discerning, up-market customer. Android meanwhile is for the mass-market. iPhones have four levels of encryption designed to thwart the likes of the FBI trying to get data out of your confiscated phones. Androids have a checkbox tick that basically says "Encryption: Yes". iPhones have 1000-nit OLED HDR screens that are colour-managed and calibrated out of the box, and have Dol…

wtf is dolby-vision HDR? Sounds like cheap marketing crap like “Extra Bass Boost” I rock an iphone because the SE is cheap and the camera is good, if I cared about privacy I wouldn’t have a phone with always on microphones and cameras… NSO group’s Pegasus was cross-platform, so as far as I’m concerned the security point is moot, people buy iphones and androids for various reasons, and it’s easier to judge someone’s “…

HDR10 is the crap Samsung invented, which just extends 8-bit colour to 10-bit colour (from 256 shades of intensity to 1024). This is not enough to display smooth gradients when going from the blackest blacks to the brightest whites that a high-dynamic range (HDR) screen is capable of. Hence, it causes visible banding, especially in "blue skies" or similar smooth areas of slowly changing colour.

Samsung worked around this by applying a post-processing filter that smooths out the banding... sometimes. It also almost always smooths away fine detail, ruining the 4K details. (Similarly, their 8K screens appear less detailed than some 4K screens for other but equally silly reasons.)

Dolby Vision uses a more optimal allocation of signal "bits" to the spectrum of colours and intensities visible to the human eye. The ideal is that each colour and each shade would be perfectly evenly distributed, so that "512" would be exactly half as perceptually bright as "1024", etc... The Dolby Vision encoding does this very nearly perfectly, eliminating visible banding without having to hide them by smudging the decoded picture. This optimal colour-volume encoding also means that transforms like scaling or brightness changes don't introduce colour-shifts or relative brightness shifts.

If you've never seen a DV video taken with an iPhone Pro 13 displayed on its OLED, you just don't know what you're missing. Go to an Apple store and play with one for a few minutes.

But seriously, companies like Samsung like to shave 50 cents off their flagship products by not paying DV their licensing fees. They figure that cutting corners like this doesn't matter, because most customers have no taste in image quality anyway, and just want BRIGHTER! COLORS! and nothing else.

They're right.

You don't care, and you're happy to save 50c on a $10K television or a $1K mobile phone.

Re: iPhone camera app replaces person’s head with a leaf in photo

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Hearing this and Steve Jobs’ critique of Microsoft, “they have no taste” is stunning. Taking the iPhone as the mass consumer computer, must mean that as a computing device the iPhone has very little taste… Which in a sense I can definitely see…

iPhones are definitely aimed at the more discerning, up-market customer. Android meanwhile is for the mass-market. iPhones have four levels of encryption designed to thwart the likes of the FBI trying to get data out of your confiscated phones. Androids have a checkbox tick that basically says "Encryption: Yes". iPhones have 1000-nit OLED HDR screens that are colour-managed and calibrated out of the box, and have Dol…

Don't group $50 device and $2000 device as "Android".
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