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Re: iPhone camera app replaces person’s head with a leaf in photo

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Post by nitrogen »

ryandvm wrote: post #69
tomasyany wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very much agree. I took RAW pictures with my Nikon on a christmas party, and even took the time to properly develop and adjust them. Still, people complained on how "old and bad" their faces looked (in pretty normal pics, nothing fancy). I attribute this to the fact that everybody is now used to phones completely editing faces and smoothing skin and adding saturation, etc., which makes us more "instagramable" althoug…

Just wait until the phones are automatically giving people cartoon character eyes...

It's already happening. I saw an extreme eye enlarging filter accidentally applied to a video by Matt Risinger (YouTube videos about construction and homebuilding).

Re: iPhone camera app replaces person’s head with a leaf in photo

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Post by formerly_proven »

alkonaut wrote: post #29

Those of us who have been shooting large digital cameras for the past decade and are some times sad that our photos often come out unsharp in poor light compared to smartphones can at least take some joy in this “no free lunch” demonstration. If this is due to stabilization and not some background blur face detection then it’s probably not something you can (or would want to) disable. Taking a telephoto shot with a t…

> Those of us who have been shooting large digital cameras for the past decade and are some times sad that our photos often come out unsharp in poor light compared to smartphones can at least take some joy in this “no free lunch” demonstration.

Can't replace sensor area with anything other than more sensor area. Week ago I got the perfect demo of that when I filmed a happening at around 10pm with only some dim garden lights off the scene for light. Some other people had their iPhones, I had an f2 lens on my Z6 - while the videos from the iPhones looked like crap even on the phone screens, basically just blobs of dark noise, the Nikon produced a remarkably clean 4K video - at ISO 16000 or so - that made it look like the scene was lit by floodlights.

Re: iPhone camera app replaces person’s head with a leaf in photo

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Post by GuB-42 »

amelius wrote: post #47
akomtu wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Big tech has this uni-modal aporoach to users: they find what maximizes a metric, and works for 75% of the users, but roll it out to 100%. Dealing with the remaining 25% would have low ROI.

Not only tech. Try finding shoes or pants when your size is 1.5 times sigma away from the mean.

Small people can use child size, which is usually much cheaper for the same thing.

Large people are out of luck.

But your point still holds, it is just that if you include children, small sizes don't follow a normal distribution, large sizes do.

Re: iPhone camera app replaces person’s head with a leaf in photo

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Post by alkonaut »

caslon wrote: post #100
alkonaut wrote: post #29

Those of us who have been shooting large digital cameras for the past decade and are some times sad that our photos often come out unsharp in poor light compared to smartphones can at least take some joy in this “no free lunch” demonstration. If this is due to stabilization and not some background blur face detection then it’s probably not something you can (or would want to) disable. Taking a telephoto shot with a t…

You can set Apple's devices to shoot RAW, and it's usually pretty great, without the painting-like qualities of its default image processing.

How raw is “raw”? If you take a long exposure in a dark room with a recent iPhone you can see the long exposure shake being removed and the picture coming out a lot sharper than it should. Would a “raw” version of that photo be a traditional long exposure or would it be the clever stacked image but with less post sharpening etc? Or is the raw even a short video sequence? (that would actually make the most sense)

I have an iPhone11 but not sure that has the raw option.

Re: iPhone camera app replaces person’s head with a leaf in photo

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Post by Zak »

matsemann wrote: post #12

I hate how much phones lately alters the images. Of course it most of the time makes the images look better, and cameras are a big selling point on a phone. But I don't like how my photos of people suddenly have a filter applied to the faces, how a picture of leaves during fall have vibrance exaggerated, how the sky looks clearer than it really did.

For most phones, there's the possibility of using a third-party camera app with less automation, and even capturing in a raw format (almost always dng). Open Camera for Android is an open source option.

Of course getting good results with this approach requires the user to have more knowledge of and practice at photography.

https://opencamera.org.uk/index.html

Re: iPhone camera app replaces person’s head with a leaf in photo

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Post by roywiggins »

iamacyborg wrote: post #70
hughrr wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All photos regardless of the source are a corruption of reality both semantically and technically speaking. I think they should always be used on a case by case basis with corroborating evidence.

I recall reading a lot of fantastic essays on the “reality” of photos when I studied photography at A Level. I’ll have to see if I can dig stuff up, but I recall there being a lot of controversy surrounding posing of bodies in early war photography.

Probably the most famous one:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Falling_Soldier

Re: iPhone camera app replaces person’s head with a leaf in photo

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Post by bendbro »

Philip-J-Fry wrote: post #39
Cerium wrote: post #9

"Cameras" making changes to the image like this make the discussion about the image processing pipeline during the Rittenhouse trial seem a little less bizarre.

It wasn't really bizarre in the grand scheme of things, but it was a bit of a reach in the context it was questioned in.

It was not. Popular coverage cited the court as debating "iphone pinch and zoom," but in reality, discussion mostly focused on the actual forensic application that was used, and the effect the algorithm that application produced on the output photo. The judge displayed a good understanding of how an algorithm takes as input original pixels and produces new pixels from that. https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2021/11/12/22778801/ky...

Re: iPhone camera app replaces person’s head with a leaf in photo

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Post by alkonaut »

formerly_proven wrote: post #112
alkonaut wrote: post #29

Those of us who have been shooting large digital cameras for the past decade and are some times sad that our photos often come out unsharp in poor light compared to smartphones can at least take some joy in this “no free lunch” demonstration. If this is due to stabilization and not some background blur face detection then it’s probably not something you can (or would want to) disable. Taking a telephoto shot with a t…

> Those of us who have been shooting large digital cameras for the past decade and are some times sad that our photos often come out unsharp in poor light compared to smartphones can at least take some joy in this “no free lunch” demonstration. Can't replace sensor area with anything other than more sensor area. Week ago I got the perfect demo of that when I filmed a happening at around 10pm with only some dim garden…

With video you can’t “cheat”. You can’t gather up a second of frames and stack to one photo. That’s what phones to quite well. You only have 1/24s (say) to get the shot before you need to get the next one.

I bet an Iphone12 would have made better stills than my aging canon 60D which I try to keep at 1600 or lower. And that’s pretty remarkable to be honest.

Re: iPhone camera app replaces person’s head with a leaf in photo

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Post by formerly_proven »

naz wrote: post #25
matsemann wrote: post #12

I hate how much phones lately alters the images. Of course it most of the time makes the images look better, and cameras are a big selling point on a phone. But I don't like how my photos of people suddenly have a filter applied to the faces, how a picture of leaves during fall have vibrance exaggerated, how the sky looks clearer than it really did.

This is so common in consumer tech. Is there a name for it? Like how any new TV has horrible motion interpolation and sharpening enabled by default, or the bassiness of Bose/Beats headphones.

The pendulum seems to be coming back on that one with the "Filmmaker Mode" and all that.

Re: iPhone camera app replaces person’s head with a leaf in photo

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Post by Zak »

ryandvm wrote: post #69
tomasyany wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very much agree. I took RAW pictures with my Nikon on a christmas party, and even took the time to properly develop and adjust them. Still, people complained on how "old and bad" their faces looked (in pretty normal pics, nothing fancy). I attribute this to the fact that everybody is now used to phones completely editing faces and smoothing skin and adding saturation, etc., which makes us more "instagramable" althoug…

Just wait until the phones are automatically giving people cartoon character eyes...

This is a feature of Snapchat, to give one example.

https://www.google.com/search?q=snapchat+cartoon+eyes&tbm=is...

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