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Re: Browse the web like its 1999

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Post by mrweasel »

Volker_W wrote: post #56
mrweasel wrote: post #26

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Best answer that I can give you is: Because many of the ad companies are run by sales people. Seriously, we struggled with an ad/retargeting company, they ran EVERYTHING of a single EC2 instance and they didn’t understand the internet. If/when their service went down the checkout pages of all their clients would timeout. The word async meant nothing to them, but hey better to crash than not track users. They would co…

> They would continuesly lie about their implementation Really? Could you give more examples?

Sure, we wanted to use Google Tag Manager, to load their javascript, because they already lied about it being async. So we’d use GTM to avoid them blocking our order confirmation page, when they had issues. So we asked if that would be an issue. It would not, their product worked well with Google products. It did not work, it completely failed to pick up the correct dom elements, it had never been tested with gtm. Again they also promised that they’d more to a real HA setup, but the never did.

Oh I forgot. They claimed that their solution was custom made, tailored to the need of their business and the business of their customers. When we asked for a few tweaks, to make implementation easier it turned out to not be true. It was in fact an off the shelf solution and they had no influence on the development. We only found out because some of the Javascript revealed the real authors.

Re: Browse the web like its 1999

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Post by zamadatix »

kragen wrote: post #36
lopis wrote: post #10

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Are you seriously complaining that this emulator of several operating systems and old browsers doesn't run inside a modern browser without javascript? I really hope you're kidding.

A blank grey page is not a reasonable way to handle JS being disabled.

Maybe not but I'm willing to bet there are more reasonable/impactful things for the author to fix or worry about instead of handling this case at all in the first place.

Re: Browse the web like its 1999

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Post by pkulak »

shp0ngle wrote: post #14

This just makes me angry. Browsers are now so fast and capable that you can emulate whole OS with another browser in them, which you can then use to browse . So why does half of the websites in 2021 feel so sluggish? GMail, which was famous for loading fast, sometimes takes forever to load. I need to wait minutes when reading news websites while elements randomly jump around the page (seriously, why does pages do tha…

> Why do elements randomly jump around for the first 2 minutes? what is the problem there?)

Devs not bothering to put element dimensions in the markup, or otherwise not making the dimensions available/calculable at page load.

Re: Browse the web like its 1999

#105

Post by jcelerier »

dmitriid wrote: post #74
majani wrote: post #72

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Yup. This is also happening in gaming, where 2D pixel art platformers are now above 1GB in size https://store.steampowered.com/app/504230/Celeste/ https://apps.apple.com/us/app/castlevania-grimoire-of-souls/... When the hardware was restricted, such games used to be squeezed onto a 48MB SNES cartridge

It's a bit unfair because modern pixel art games are literally nothing like old pixel art games. For one, the resolution has gone from 400x300 to ~3000x1500 and more, and the number of color went from 8 to millions. All those pixels in high-res pixel art have to still be stored somewhere. Even though I still agree that some games do not deserve to be as fat as they are.

The entire Chrono Trigger SNES rom fits in a 1024x1024 PNG image though

Re: Browse the web like its 1999

#106

Post by rakoo »

squarefoot wrote: post #91
coldpie wrote: post #89

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> then some ads, some tracking scripts Well, these at least are fixable. The web is unusable without uBlock Origin and NoScript.

Seconded uBlock Origin, the web is unusable without it. I moved however from NoScript to uMatrix, which can block with more granularity, but needs to be either kept default off or "trained" because its factory settings are very strict and could block a lot of necessary stuff (ie, don't install it to non technical users).

You can replicate NoScript and even uMatrix inside uBlock Origin now (uMatrix is even officially deprecated by uBlock Origin now)

uBO gives a lot of flexibility and a traditional "no js" is absolutely possible (see https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBlock-issues/wiki/Blocking-...). You then select which source is authorized to push crap at your browser

Re: Browse the web like its 1999

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Post by coldpie »

rakoo wrote: post #106
squarefoot wrote: post #91

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Seconded uBlock Origin, the web is unusable without it. I moved however from NoScript to uMatrix, which can block with more granularity, but needs to be either kept default off or "trained" because its factory settings are very strict and could block a lot of necessary stuff (ie, don't install it to non technical users).

You can replicate NoScript and even uMatrix inside uBlock Origin now (uMatrix is even officially deprecated by uBlock Origin now) uBO gives a lot of flexibility and a traditional "no js" is absolutely possible (see https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBlock-issues/wiki/Blocking-... ). You then select which source is authorized to push crap at your browser

I like NoScript's UI. I've never tried uMatrix or uBo's more complex modes, but every time I see screenshots like in the article you linked, my head spins. So I stick with NoScript because I understand it. Compare: https://noscript.net/noscript/ss0.png

No knock on uBo! Just explaining why I stick with NoScript :)

Re: Browse the web like its 1999

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Post by boring_twenties »

shp0ngle wrote: post #14

This just makes me angry. Browsers are now so fast and capable that you can emulate whole OS with another browser in them, which you can then use to browse . So why does half of the websites in 2021 feel so sluggish? GMail, which was famous for loading fast, sometimes takes forever to load. I need to wait minutes when reading news websites while elements randomly jump around the page (seriously, why does pages do tha…

Most people will put up with slow-loading pages up to some extreme threshold.

So, if you reduce your page's loading time from, say, 1 second to 400 millis, you won't gain any significant number of users.

On the other hand, if you use those extra 600 millis to hold an auction for ad space on the page, you make more money immediately.

Therefore we can expect any for-profit site to load only fast enough to keep users from giving up (even if they feel frustrated or whatever), and no faster than that.

Re: Browse the web like its 1999

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Post by hidden-spyder »

p_l wrote: post #43
shp0ngle wrote: post #21

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Why does tracking and advertising take so much time to load and display? I would not really mind ads and being tracked if it didn't make internet sometimes literally unusable? "bloated frameworks"... I remember when React was touted as "faster than native DOM"! Which didn't make much sense even back then, because you need to do the things in actual DOM too... but... there was always the push of speed So where is the…

Consider typical Medium blog post. If by chance you block certain actions, you'll see it spin ridiculous amount of CPU, trying to sent tracking data all the time over graphql. Some tracking systems injected (often without developer involvement, using so-called tag managers) will send your mouse position and clicks. Through tag managers, you can easily end up loading 50 different scripts, often compiled with attendant…

Any way to stop all those requests?

Re: Browse the web like its 1999

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Post by dang »

clove wrote: post #29
shp0ngle wrote: post #14

This just makes me angry. Browsers are now so fast and capable that you can emulate whole OS with another browser in them, which you can then use to browse . So why does half of the websites in 2021 feel so sluggish? GMail, which was famous for loading fast, sometimes takes forever to load. I need to wait minutes when reading news websites while elements randomly jump around the page (seriously, why does pages do tha…

Did you try restarting your computer? If that doesn't work, try restarting your router.

Sorry for the offtopicness, but I need you to see this and don't have another way to contact you.

You have posted a great many comments that broke the HN guidelines egregiously. (I'm not talking about this thread.) Comments like this are bannable offenses on HN:

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I'm not going to ban you right now, partly because those threads are all at least a week old and partly because your account has years of history on HN. However, we need you to review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules from now on. If you keep breaking them like this, we're going to have to ban you. In particular, it's absolutely not acceptable to attack other users the way you've been doing, no matter how strongly you disagree with them. That goes against everything this site is supposed to be for.

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