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I'm fascinated by North Korea. I think the author shouldn't be so smug about seeing through their propaganda. We have such a sophisticated propaganda in the west that it's much harder to see it. In comparison NK propaganda is refreshingly childish, funny I would say.
>"We have such a sophisticated propaganda in the west" Do not flatter. It is quite visible and primitive.
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> that's a very poor comparison to the outright falsehoods perpetuated by propaganda. No it's a very apt one. Millions of people fervently "know" that ample evidence exists implicating Trump in colluding with Putin to hack the election. They've never seen it, but they are sure it must be there. Just the same as this wall. > Not only was the Trump campaign never exonerated of the collusion accusations, It was, by the…
If it was "propaganda" as opposed to credible, unproven allegations you'd be pointing us to paragraphs about how meetings between Trump campaign officers and Russian officials probably or definitely did not happen as alleged, not clutching at the straws of "did not find evidence to prove beyond reasonable doubt [specific offence]" in an investigation which substantiated that there was contact between the Trump campai…
I have not seen these paragraphs that provide evidence that Trump colluded with Russia to hack the election in the Mueller report. Maybe you could point them out?
> not clutching at the straws of "did not find evidence to prove beyond reasonable doubt [specific offence]" in an investigation which substantiated that there was contact between the Trump campaign and Russian operatives and resulted in criminal prosecutions of some of the participants for lying about them anyway.
"clutching at straws" = refuting the central claims of the Trump/Russia conspiracy theory.
> When the OP suggest that claims of a South Korean built wall stretching the full length of the border are baseless propaganda, he's not doing so from the starting point that yes, there's obviously a wall going the full length of the border but we can't be confident of convicting its builders of criminal intent
Claims about the existence of evidence of Trump colluding with Putin are exactly the same as claims about the existence of the wall.
I'm fascinated by North Korea. I think the author shouldn't be so smug about seeing through their propaganda. We have such a sophisticated propaganda in the west that it's much harder to see it. In comparison NK propaganda is refreshingly childish, funny I would say.
> In comparison NK propaganda is refreshingly childish, funny I would say. I think you're yourself falling for North Korea propaganda, the reality there is nothing childish: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-china-sex-slav...
I fail to see any NK propaganda here.
Now if you wanted to say that I shouldn't take the situation there lightly, I get it, it's only funny on the surface.
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Yes, unfortunately. You also have many people who believe Trump said Nazis are very fine people. You have many people who believe Trump told his supporters to drink bleach in other to fight coronavirus.
Indeed, he merely suggested to inject bleach in order to fight the coronavirus [1]. Of course afterwards he said that was sarcastic, but even if that was true it's not really much better.
I’m disappointed there’s no backstory on the author, how / why did he get into North Korea?
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If it was "propaganda" as opposed to credible, unproven allegations you'd be pointing us to paragraphs about how meetings between Trump campaign officers and Russian officials probably or definitely did not happen as alleged, not clutching at the straws of "did not find evidence to prove beyond reasonable doubt [specific offence]" in an investigation which substantiated that there was contact between the Trump campai…
> If it was "propaganda" as opposed to credible, unproven allegations you'd be pointing us to paragraphs about how meetings between Trump campaign officers and Russian officials probably or definitely did not happen as alleged, I have not seen these paragraphs that provide evidence that Trump colluded with Russia to hack the election in the Mueller report. Maybe you could point them out? > not clutching at the straws…
Of course he didnt conclude that Russia "hacked the election" because that was not an actual literal claim under investigation (if you're interested in whether unsubstantiated and in many cases provably false claims of vote-manipulation by foreign countries are being used for propaganda purposes, there's campaigns on behalf of another defeated Presidential election candidate you might want to look at...). There is one actual claim of "Russiagate" which is tendentious: that Hillary would have won the election in the absence of any Trump campaign contact with Russian operatives. You could even call that propaganda, if you wish, though its more of the optimistic, conjectural framing of political failure than the just make stuff up variety. But that one's well outside the scope of Mueller.
The North Korean claim that the wall is only visible from their side reminds me of the Ha-ha: >A ha-ha (French: hâ-hâ or saut de loup) is a recessed landscape design element that creates a vertical barrier (particularly on one side) while preserving an uninterrupted view of the landscape beyond from the other side https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ha-ha
I'm fascinated by North Korea. I think the author shouldn't be so smug about seeing through their propaganda. We have such a sophisticated propaganda in the west that it's much harder to see it. In comparison NK propaganda is refreshingly childish, funny I would say.
> In comparison NK propaganda is refreshingly childish, funny I would say. I think you're yourself falling for North Korea propaganda, the reality there is nothing childish: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-china-sex-slav...
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>"We have such a sophisticated propaganda in the west" Do not flatter. It is quite visible and primitive.
Dude the fact you and him even accept the concept of "the west" is a testament to relentless and constant propaganda. That there is a unified front of "mostly white people" all sharing american values, guns and private prison alike. Even China loves this idea of the western "box" they can put me, a French, in to associate all my ideas to every stupid american policies. From Moscow to Los Angeles, everything west of C…
The concept is used both to critique the imperialist countries and to strengthen their alliance, by different people.