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Re: Browse the web like its 1999

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Post by heurisko »

hulitu wrote: post #62
shp0ngle wrote: post #14

This just makes me angry. Browsers are now so fast and capable that you can emulate whole OS with another browser in them, which you can then use to browse . So why does half of the websites in 2021 feel so sluggish? GMail, which was famous for loading fast, sometimes takes forever to load. I need to wait minutes when reading news websites while elements randomly jump around the page (seriously, why does pages do tha…

> Browsers are now so fast and capable that you can emulate whole OS with another browser in them, which you can then use to browse Yes they can emulate a whole OS. It's browsing at what they suck. Seconds wasted for TLS handshake, seconds wasted on downloading MB of JS, then realizing content is missing, another TLS handshake, another download, then some ads, some tracking scripts and finaly the page is displayed. O…

> Seconds wasted for TLS handshake

The few hundred milliseconds is worth it to stop someone sniffing my browsing details on an open network.

I can remember browsing the web using 56k. That was slow.

Re: Browse the web like its 1999

#72

Post by majani »

marginalia_nu wrote: post #31
shp0ngle wrote: post #14

This just makes me angry. Browsers are now so fast and capable that you can emulate whole OS with another browser in them, which you can then use to browse . So why does half of the websites in 2021 feel so sluggish? GMail, which was famous for loading fast, sometimes takes forever to load. I need to wait minutes when reading news websites while elements randomly jump around the page (seriously, why does pages do tha…

It's basically Parkinson's law. If someone is given NASA's resources to move a piece of paper across the room, they will find a way to use a space shuttle to do it and call you oldfashioned for doing it by hand.

Yup. This is also happening in gaming, where 2D pixel art platformers are now above 1GB in size

https://store.steampowered.com/app/504230/Celeste/

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/castlevania-grimoire-of-souls/...

When the hardware was restricted, such games used to be squeezed onto a 48MB SNES cartridge

Re: Browse the web like its 1999

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Post by throwawayHN378 »

shp0ngle wrote: post #14

This just makes me angry. Browsers are now so fast and capable that you can emulate whole OS with another browser in them, which you can then use to browse . So why does half of the websites in 2021 feel so sluggish? GMail, which was famous for loading fast, sometimes takes forever to load. I need to wait minutes when reading news websites while elements randomly jump around the page (seriously, why does pages do tha…

I have never experience load time issues with gmail. Granted I’m not a front end guy so I only know “seems slow” and “doesn’t seem slow”

Re: Browse the web like its 1999

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Post by dmitriid »

majani wrote: post #72
marginalia_nu wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's basically Parkinson's law. If someone is given NASA's resources to move a piece of paper across the room, they will find a way to use a space shuttle to do it and call you oldfashioned for doing it by hand.

Yup. This is also happening in gaming, where 2D pixel art platformers are now above 1GB in size https://store.steampowered.com/app/504230/Celeste/ https://apps.apple.com/us/app/castlevania-grimoire-of-souls/... When the hardware was restricted, such games used to be squeezed onto a 48MB SNES cartridge

It's a bit unfair because modern pixel art games are literally nothing like old pixel art games.

For one, the resolution has gone from 400x300 to ~3000x1500 and more, and the number of color went from 8 to millions. All those pixels in high-res pixel art have to still be stored somewhere.

Even though I still agree that some games do not deserve to be as fat as they are.

Re: Browse the web like its 1999

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Post by tokai »

majani wrote: post #72
marginalia_nu wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's basically Parkinson's law. If someone is given NASA's resources to move a piece of paper across the room, they will find a way to use a space shuttle to do it and call you oldfashioned for doing it by hand.

Yup. This is also happening in gaming, where 2D pixel art platformers are now above 1GB in size https://store.steampowered.com/app/504230/Celeste/ https://apps.apple.com/us/app/castlevania-grimoire-of-souls/... When the hardware was restricted, such games used to be squeezed onto a 48MB SNES cartridge

I don't see that as a good equivalent. Highres art assets takes up space, there's no beating that. Old snes games and modern 2d'ers are not on the same lvl regarding fidelity.

Re: Browse the web like its 1999

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Post by SilasX »

throwawayHN378 wrote: post #73
shp0ngle wrote: post #14

This just makes me angry. Browsers are now so fast and capable that you can emulate whole OS with another browser in them, which you can then use to browse . So why does half of the websites in 2021 feel so sluggish? GMail, which was famous for loading fast, sometimes takes forever to load. I need to wait minutes when reading news websites while elements randomly jump around the page (seriously, why does pages do tha…

I have never experience load time issues with gmail. Granted I’m not a front end guy so I only know “seems slow” and “doesn’t seem slow”

Yeah I agree with all the parents other points, but Gmail has been an island of sanity, very rarely annoying me. Now, I’m usually using it on a fast computer but typical sites can’t even live up to that standard on the same machine.

Re: Browse the web like its 1999

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Post by nine_k »

shp0ngle wrote: post #14

This just makes me angry. Browsers are now so fast and capable that you can emulate whole OS with another browser in them, which you can then use to browse . So why does half of the websites in 2021 feel so sluggish? GMail, which was famous for loading fast, sometimes takes forever to load. I need to wait minutes when reading news websites while elements randomly jump around the page (seriously, why does pages do tha…

I don't even mind Gmail taking some time to operate. What I do mind is pegging all 4 cores of an i5, and burning through my battery.

(Sadly, my workflow is heavily dependent on multiple labels per email, and no IMAP client seems to work acceptably in that situation.)

Re: Browse the web like its 1999

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Post by FredPret »

jeroenhd wrote: post #17
shp0ngle wrote: post #14

This just makes me angry. Browsers are now so fast and capable that you can emulate whole OS with another browser in them, which you can then use to browse . So why does half of the websites in 2021 feel so sluggish? GMail, which was famous for loading fast, sometimes takes forever to load. I need to wait minutes when reading news websites while elements randomly jump around the page (seriously, why does pages do tha…

Javascript is one of the major reasons, but also trackers, huge graphics and loads of videos. Old pages still load fast so it's not the browser's fault. Say what you want about https://www.lingscars.com/ , but it loads instantly, is full of all animations and doesn't lag down the browser. The problem is modern design, basically. We've invented server-rendered pages, then started rendering everything client side with…

Thank you for introducing me to the delight that is Ling’s Cars

Re: Browse the web like its 1999

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Post by greggyb »

nine_k wrote: post #77
shp0ngle wrote: post #14

This just makes me angry. Browsers are now so fast and capable that you can emulate whole OS with another browser in them, which you can then use to browse . So why does half of the websites in 2021 feel so sluggish? GMail, which was famous for loading fast, sometimes takes forever to load. I need to wait minutes when reading news websites while elements randomly jump around the page (seriously, why does pages do tha…

I don't even mind Gmail taking some time to operate. What I do mind is pegging all 4 cores of an i5, and burning through my battery. (Sadly, my workflow is heavily dependent on multiple labels per email, and no IMAP client seems to work acceptably in that situation.)

I'm not sure what sort of workflow and mail client you desire, but Notmuch supports arbitrary tagging. Most coverage I've seen of it integrates with emacs or mutt (or similar text-based mail clients). That said, in searching for the project homepage, I also saw this project[1], which might be interesting if you're looking for something a bit less terminal. I'm sure there are more alternatives, but hopefully this is useful as a starting point for you.

[0] https://notmuchmail.org/

[1] https://add0n.com/notmuch-email-client.html

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