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Re: Why Web3?

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There's an easy counter to "I see no practical application for decentralization," which is to provide an example of that application. I'm not convinced that Bitcoin or currencies are a practical application that results in net gain (economic or otherwise) to humanity. The internet was obvious from day 1, even if the actual end applications ended up quite a bit different. > how can you not see the utility in an open f…

The gate keepers are preventing me from building the kind of apps I want. Just the other day people here reminisced about the days when Twitter used to have an open API and how bad it is that they shut it down. I want to build apps without having to worry about ever being restricted, limited or shut down.

> I want to build apps without having to worry about ever being restricted, limited or shut down.

I'm not at all convinced that technology from "web3" or ethereum or whatever can actually do this.

Please don't tell me it's coming soon or just a matter of time. That's been said for ten years.

Re: Why Web3?

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I don't like how the extreme hatred toward Web3 has spiraled into "I see no practical application for decentralization". Crypto and blockchain aside, how can you not see the utility in an open firehose database/API without gate keepers? Don't conflate decentralization with blockchain.

It blows my mind how many people keep dismissing decentralization because of problems in the NFT space.

To all the people that downvoted my comment, do you think that decentralization is inherently connected to the Blockchain/NFT? If true, mind explaining?

Re: Why Web3?

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> NFTs are also a hobby not an investment. You just hear about the investors because they are the loudest. Or the only voice, because no one else is interested in looking at a hash for fun. The real artwork is easily digitally duplicated and so if your hobby was to look at the art, you do not need to purchase the NFT.

Spending a few dollars on NFT "ownership" is worth it to me to have my name next to something, just like spending $10 on a League of Legends skin is worth it to some people to have their name next to a piece of artwork in a video game. I am literally interested in looking at a hash for fun, since it shows up online in NFT viewers with a little picture of it in my account. $10 is such a small amount of money to me, if…

so NFTs are Candy Crush lollipops, but not attached to a particular game?

Re: Why Web3?

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There's an easy counter to "I see no practical application for decentralization," which is to provide an example of that application. I'm not convinced that Bitcoin or currencies are a practical application that results in net gain (economic or otherwise) to humanity. The internet was obvious from day 1, even if the actual end applications ended up quite a bit different. > how can you not see the utility in an open f…

The gate keepers are preventing me from building the kind of apps I want. Just the other day people here reminisced about the days when Twitter used to have an open API and how bad it is that they shut it down. I want to build apps without having to worry about ever being restricted, limited or shut down.

> I want to build apps without having to worry about ever being restricted, limited or shut down.

What is stopping you from storing HTML/CSS on torrent/IPFS/github/pastebin?

This stuff exists - right now. Your version of it just adds an unnecessary barrier to entry.

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edit: whoops - misread. [original] That simply isn't true. There has been consistent and widespread criticism of crypto enthusiasm on the majority of stories posted here recently.

What simply isn't true? I said discussion about it is welcomed here, and you're telling me that critical discussion is "consistent and widespread". It sounds like we agree.

ah, indeed I misunderstood. cheers!

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The gate keepers are preventing me from building the kind of apps I want. Just the other day people here reminisced about the days when Twitter used to have an open API and how bad it is that they shut it down. I want to build apps without having to worry about ever being restricted, limited or shut down.

> I want to build apps without having to worry about ever being restricted, limited or shut down. I'm still not clear how this would work. In a web 3 twitter clone that prevents one from ever being "restricted, limited or shut down", where does the crypto-tweet live? Where is it stored? How well does this scale? What does it take to crypto-tweet (do you have to pay some crypto currency to have it be out there)? What…

If I may summarize the typical response?

TBD

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You can do the same thing with blockchain NFTs, just mint another blockchain NFT with the same content. You can say "well, the NFT that was minted first is the true original" but the same is true of the "double sent" digital signature NFT, one will be dated more recently than the other, which affords one identical guarantees of authenticity to the blockchain NFT.

There is some project. NFT Replicas - https://nftreplicas.net/ Nothing is stopping any one to mint another NFT with same content.

Minty's "Useless Man" could have been about NFTs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqAOaNS1tqM

(May be NSFW depending on who you work for...)

Re: Why Web3?

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Maybe it's not common wisdom in general, but it is a pretty common viewpoint in the startup world. Building products is expensive, and startups can't afford to build something no one wants. It's pretty much universal advise that finding an initial market fit should be the first priority of any new startup. Literally making a sale before the product exists is the extreme end of that philosophy. Whether or not this is…

I've been on this website a long time and I suppose the userbase has grown quite a bit. I don't assume everyone has read all of Paul Graham's articles or even know who he is, but are you familiar with how YCombinator works? Enough money to survive on ramen for a few months and build a demo. Get feedback from users and iterate over and over.

> Enough money to survive on ramen for a few months and build a demo. Get feedback from users and iterate over and over.

This is indeed the original idea behind YCombinator. That was a very long time ago. Things have changed, both with the YCombinator company and the ethos of this web community.

Re: Why Web3?

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I read this as yet another article stating how great web3 is going to be and how important the decentralization aspect is, without making it clear exactly why this is the case, and what concrete examples of things we'll be able to do with it (that we're unable to do today) are. Web3 sounds to me like one of those soap opera startups PG talks about. They sound like a great idea when you propose them, but do people rea…

With web3, there is no deplatforming, no moderation, no accountability. There is no responsibility. That’s what they really want. They want a system that, in their minds, won’t be subject to regulation or social pressure. They are still mad that Reddit blocked certain groups. That parler got banned from public clouds. Those are the things that made them “wake up” to the need for web3. Deleting data and social account…

Yes, I don't want twitter users to determine who can use the internet and who can send/receive money. That's a job for governments, not self-important people with blue check marks next to their names.

P.S. you can have moderation without censorship. That's how Mastodon works.

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